The Latest "Tradition": Stand & Greet Your Neighbors

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Through the past few years, this forumite has attended Mass at several different parishes in several different dioceses. I have noted a new novelty added in several instances. Moments before Mass begins, the celebrant either “invites” or commands everyone to rise and greet one another either as an expression of hospitality or fellowship. This is not in place of the Sign of Peace, but in addition to it. [edited]
I’ve noticed that this ‘tradition’ is suspended when a visiting priest or the bishop celebrates the Mass. So I am suspect that this is a liturgical abuse.
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Does this happen at your parish? How do you deal with it?
 
Through the past few years, this forumite has attended Mass at several different parishes in several different dioceses. I have noted a new novelty added in several instances. Moments before Mass begins, the celebrant either “invites” or commands everyone to rise and greet one another either as an expression of hospitality or fellowship. This is not in place of the Sign of Peace, but in addition to it. [edited]
I’ve noticed that this ‘tradition’ is suspended when a visiting priest or the bishop celebrates the Mass. So I am suspect that this is a liturgical abuse.
[edited]

Does this happen at your parish? How do you deal with it?
First of all, I don’t think it can be a liturgical abuse when it happens outside of the liturgy. It probably doesn’t happen with a visiting priest or the bishop because it is a local custom and they do not follow it.

Personally, I’m uncomfortable in such “forced” situations. It feels stiff and awkward and really doesn’t do much (for me) to build a sense of community, which is its purpose. It feels like everyone is just trying too hard. Same thing for greeters at the door. I also think the approach is shallow and artificial and unlikely to actually achieve its desired results. I also tend to think it is inappropriate for it to take place in the church, particularly just prior to Mass, as it just leads to noise and chaos and can destroy any sense of prayer and recollection.

But… Catholic parishes very often lack community. I have a friend who is right now in the process of returning to the Catholic Church. She left several years ago, in a period of great personal crisis, for the LDS Church. She has always known that they are wrong theologically, but they offered her a community and support in a time in which it was desperately needed. She reached out in her own Church, over and over, and found nothing. The Mormons were there for her, in the way that we are commanded to be there for one another. They bore her burdens with her and it is shameful that she could not find that support within the Catholic Church. Now she has been attending daily Mass for several weeks, but has not yet left the LDS faith formally. In those several weeks, she has never once been acknowledged by anybody. Not a kind word, not a smile, not a nod. She is hurt and confused and longing for Confession and the Eucharist, but she also wants to be in a place where she feels welcomed and loved.

She, and others like her, are why parishes like yours try so hard. I know that the “stand up and greet the person next to you approach” is horrible for introverts like me. I am very uncomfortable with the approach, and I will go out of my way to avoid parishes like that. I’ve been known to deliberately arrive late, and I’m almost never late. But, at least they are trying something. They are addressing a problem known to exist in Catholic parishes. We need each other. We need communities and support. As we live in a world that is more and more secular, it has become even more important to establish havens of support for one another within our parishes. In some cases, our faith depends on it.

My parish does happen to have a sense of community because we are very small. I’m pretty sure we overwhelm visitors sometimes, those who just want to slip in and go to Mass, and slip out without talking to anybody. If you should find yourself in our narthex, be prepared to be immediately noticed as a visitor. At least 2 or 3 people, probably more, will make sure to introduce themselves if you make the mistake of arriving a few minutes early. One of them will surely offer to be your guide throughout the liturgy, if you should need one. If not, we’ll be sure to explain our service books to you, should you want to follow along. If, during the liturgy, you should appear lost, the nearest person will probably intrude upon your prayer to help you find the right place in our rather complicated books. At the start of communion, somebody will probably steal a glance at you to see if you seem confused about how to receive, and help you out if necessary. Then, during the announcements, our priest will almost certainly welcome our visitors, making a special point to make eye contact with you, and invite all visitors downstairs to join us for lunch. After the liturgy, again in the narthex, you can expect to be approached by one or more parishioners, asking you if you’re coming down for lunch. I know that’s too much for some. It probably would be for me, if I hadn’t been known to the parish since childhood, but the truth is that we are excited to see visitors. We want to make them comfortable and share our traditions and answer questions.
 
Through the past few years, this forumite has attended Mass at several different parishes in several different dioceses. I have noted a new novelty added in several instances. Moments before Mass begins, the celebrant either “invites” or commands everyone to rise and greet one another either as an expression of hospitality or fellowship. This is not in place of the Sign of Peace, but in addition to it. [edited]
I’ve noticed that this ‘tradition’ is suspended when a visiting priest or the bishop celebrates the Mass. So I am suspect that this is a liturgical abuse.

[edited]

Does this happen at your parish? How do you deal with it?
Sit in the front row with your back to everyone and then you won’t notice it so much.
 
Sit in the front row with your back to everyone and then you won’t notice it so much.
Doesn’t help. Someone behind you will probably tap you on the shoulder and insist on “greeting” you.

I can understand the need for “community”, but community forms organically, not from forced “please stand and greet those around you.” With that, and my personality (I am not fond of greeting strangers), I absolutely detest this practice.

An actual friendly approach, such as by the priest after Mass, doesn’t turn most people off. Most people, I believe, who are not comfortable making the first move loosen up pretty well as soon as someone greets them first.
 
I am not a fan of this trend either. One time I believe at a youth teen mass we were instructed to greet our neighbors at the beginning of the Mass, then the teenager in charge or whatever said “Now everybody STAND UP and greet your neighbors” just because everyone did it sitting the first time. Then of course there is the sign of peace later. That is 3 times we greeted our neighbor… I think one time during the sign of peace is sufficient. It does feel like such a charade when forced. I just do it anyways, but I always think “Oh great, this again” 😛
 
Doesn’t help. Someone behind you will probably tap you on the shoulder and insist on “greeting” you.

I can understand the need for “community”, but community forms organically, not from forced “please stand and greet those around you.” With that, and my personality (I am not fond of greeting strangers), I absolutely detest this practice.
Well, if you sit in the same place every Sunday, those around you will soon get the idea and leave you alone.
 
Doesn’t help. Someone behind you will probably tap you on the shoulder and insist on “greeting” you.

I can understand the need for “community”, but community forms organically, not from forced “please stand and greet those around you.” With that, and my personality (I am not fond of greeting strangers), I absolutely detest this practice.

An actual friendly approach, such as by the priest after Mass, doesn’t turn most people off. Most people, I believe, who are not comfortable making the first move loosen up pretty well as soon as someone greets them first.
I’m with you on this. I strongly dislike this approach. Introverts unite! (And does this really work for anyone, even those alien creatures, extroverts?)

But, the question is, how do we successful form community in our huge parishes? This parish, and others like it, are taking an approach that doesn’t work well and turns people off.

Do you have any ideas for how this community can organically form in a parish? In my parish, it happens because there are less than 60 people in the church on a given Sunday. If we want our church to stay open, we have to form a community.
 
I’ve seen this in some parishes on my travels and it happens before the procession and I think it’s ok, kinda hokey but ok. But there are sometimes I’ve seen it at the beginning of mass, between the procession and penitential rite, this I would think is out of bounds. Considering I’m not officially Catholic yet I let it slide though 😉
 
First of all, I don’t think it can be a liturgical abuse when it happens outside of the liturgy. It probably doesn’t happen with a visiting priest or the bishop because it is a local custom and they do not follow it.
Yes, agreed: whatever happens before the liturgy begins can’t really be considered a liturgical abuse.

However, it doesn’t seem to be a “local custom” either. Somebody, either the officiating priest or one of the ministers, has had the cute idea of instituting a new “local custom,” but from what the OP says about it, it’s not a true custom at all. It’s a fake “custom.”
 
Some parishes do it, some parishes don’t.

Frankly, I’m tired of cold-fish Catholics who think that saying hello is asking too much of them.

If you find it sooooooooo difficult to smile at your neighbor then wait outside until the priest starts processing up the aisle and quickly slip into a back pew. Sit by yourself, keep your head down, don’t acknowledge anyone, and wallow in your aloneness.
 
I’m with you on this. I strongly dislike this approach. Introverts unite! (And does this really work for anyone, even those alien creatures, extroverts?)

But, the question is, how do we successful form community in our huge parishes? This parish, and others like it, are taking an approach that doesn’t work well and turns people off.

Do you have any ideas for how this community can organically form in a parish? In my parish, it happens because there are less than 60 people in the church on a given Sunday. If we want our church to stay open, we have to form a community.
Our parish is pretty big (5,000 families registered) and has a pretty strong community. We have pot lucks and fish fries and a festival once a year that’s always packed. It was advertised on the radio once. Also tons of ministries. Pro-Life, homeless, religious ed, you name it. The only thing we don’t have is a young adult ministry, which is a bit of a bummer. I have to drive to other parishes for that.

I think the key is to just…start something. Outside Mass. Do a family movie night or a potluck once a month. Something. Yeah there’s always a chance that people won’t come, but that’s their fault. Someone just needs to get the ball rolling though. Otherwise nothing will ever happen.
 
Some parishes do it, some parishes don’t.

Frankly, I’m tired of cold-fish Catholics who think that saying hello is asking too much of them.

If you find it sooooooooo difficult to smile at your neighbor then wait outside until the priest starts processing up the aisle and quickly slip into a back pew. Sit by yourself, keep your head down, don’t acknowledge anyone, and wallow in your aloneness.
Tell us how you really feel Suscipe. 😉
 
I used to go to a parish where this was common. I didn’t greet anyone. If someone greeted me, I would greet them back politely but that is all. I find it completely pointless for this to be done before Mass. The church isn’t a country club and Mass isn’t a weekly get together, so they shouldn’t act like it. It used to be a sin to talk in the church, now priests are encouraging it.
 
Well, if you sit in the same place every Sunday, those around you will soon get the idea and leave you alone.
No, they will physically accost you in the name of “fellowship” just like the do at the sign of peace.
Here’s how I deal with it…I go to the Spanish Mass. Mexicans don’t go in for these gimmicks.
 
I used to go to a parish where this was common. I didn’t greet anyone. If someone greeted me, I would greet them back politely but that is all. I find it completely pointless for this to be done before Mass. The church isn’t a country club and Mass isn’t a weekly get together, so they shouldn’t act like it. It used to be a sin to talk in the church, now priests are encouraging it.
I think warmly greeting each other after Mass should be sufficient and talking in church should definitely be discouraged yet people do. Our parish has coffee and doughnuts after each morning Mass or sometimes breakfast. That way we do get to know each other better.

I’m sorry about the LDS woman attending daily Mass. Usually there seems to be the same people attending and maybe they just dont think of saying hello. I sometimes attend daily Mass at ours and there are a group of people I don’t know either. I hope she begins attending Sunday Mass at a friendlier parish. I do know that the LDS community is far more welcoming sometimes, but at least here in Utah they can be clannish and unfriendly to those of other faiths. If she returns to our faith, she shouldn’t be surprised if that friendliness evaporates,
 
Tell us how you really feel Suscipe. 😉
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For what it’s worth, the “coldness” of Catholics can really be a problem for people. I have people in RCIA who struggle with the lack of fellowship. They become Catholic for various reasons, but it is not for the welcoming community they find.
 
Through the past few years, this forumite has attended Mass at several different parishes in several different dioceses. I have noted a new novelty added in several instances. Moments before Mass begins, the celebrant either “invites” or commands everyone to rise and greet one another either as an expression of hospitality or fellowship. This is not in place of the Sign of Peace, but in addition to it. [edited]
I’ve noticed that this ‘tradition’ is suspended when a visiting priest or the bishop celebrates the Mass. So I am suspect that this is a liturgical abuse.

Many of these command-gregariousness parishes have expensive and under-utilized parish halls built specifically for Meet & Greet events btw. :rolleyes:

Does this happen at your parish? How do you deal with it?
We have been doing this for as long as I can remember in my parish.zhsving said that,with flu season officially underway,I am refraining from any handshaking.😉
 
Some parishes do it, some parishes don’t.

Frankly, I’m tired of cold-fish Catholics who think that saying hello is asking too much of them.

If you find it sooooooooo difficult to smile at your neighbor then wait outside until the priest starts processing up the aisle and quickly slip into a back pew. Sit by yourself, keep your head down, don’t acknowledge anyone, and wallow in your aloneness.
I agree with you.

As for “Mexicans don’t go for these gimmicks” the Spanish Mass at our parish does this and also announces birthdays, anniversaries, graduations, etc during the announcements at the end of Mass. I guess they have different preferences just like white people. Nobody here has complained at the English or Spanish Masses. The Mexican priest that does Spanish Mass actually started it a year before the English Masses started doing it too.
 
No, they will physically accost you in the name of “fellowship” just like the do at the sign of peace.
Here’s how I deal with it…I go to the Spanish Mass. Mexicans don’t go in for these gimmicks.
You must be kidding. Which Hispanics folks have you been worshiping with???
In our parish the start of the Spanish Mass happens when it happens, because everyone is “coming together” in fellowship. Mass just sort of comes out of the gathering. Must be different areas of the country.

These are not gimmicks, they are exhortations to look at the person next to you, and acknowledge each other as just that…persons. People acknowledge each other as persons by making eye contact.

Really, addressing the OP, if it’s that painful, don’t do it. Why is it a problem to simply not do it?
 
😃

For what it’s worth, the “coldness” of Catholics can really be a problem for people. I have people in RCIA who struggle with the lack of fellowship. They become Catholic for various reasons, but it is not for the welcoming community they find.
Which is one of the reasons many people never darken the door of the Catholic Church twice. Many of our parishes are cold and impersonal, as if the sacraments take the place of Christ the person.
 
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