The Law of Attraction - Pros and Cons

[gulmatan]

Thanks b to YHWH you see this for what it is.

A councillor is a hired Shepard, they can never truly tend to te need of the lost. Their words will only help the sheep not to feel lost, delude them to believing they are in control.

Me here:

Please clarify that statement. It sounds very confusing.

Self assurance never lasts, none can argue against this statement for the self assured are surley to die.

The word is not paid, those who speak out of it to the lost show them a way home…

Me here:

Again, please clarify.

Brethren be troubled not over this thing they do, they must do it for the false prophet to be seen clearly for the last days.

But be warned, keep it from your communities and churches for already it has crept in.
Be a guardian of the spirit and loudly denounce its presences.
Better you do this and be outcast than permit such grow in our house.

Best you be safe in the arms of My Father than in your own arms among the unbelievers.

I will be that i will be,
you have free will to see me as you choose

 

[Steven_John]

Counselling with worldly concern is just that, concern with worldly outcomes.
The I, me, can do tools we have in our counselling tool box when not taught authentically for the glory of My Father.

Nothing worldly lasts it is like a bandage or pain killer, the real cause turning away from My Father is not addressed only its worldly manifestation.

Life is about handing over “i am in control” to you are controller best 4 me.

If you are in control and master of your destiny your destiny will be death and you will have no control.
How ever if you give My Father control you will not die.

Dont let these worldly (I) teachings become mixed in “religious community” that is in the relationships between brothers.

If you see it stand against it even if you are kicked out. Better you stand for My Father than My Lost Brother.

Sorry i reckon i am more confusing than what i posted b4 i dont know if the message here is truly the same

 

[prodigalson12]

Hello all,

This subject disturbs me greatly for many reasons so, please bear with me as my thoughts are few and my explanations may jump here and there.

1–The Secret is to me, another form of Satanism. Yes, yes, the branding does seem a bit strange but, given that The Secret embodies and espouses all three lies Satan gave to Adam & Eve in the garden, I think, Satanism fits the Secret VERY WELL.

2–There is NO Gospel message in the doctrines or virtues of the Secret

3–There is no God in the Secret. Thus, by denouncing God, this gives the Secret the perfect foundation from which to promote self as Lord and Master. Thus, the self is God. CLEARLY UNBIBLICAL!!!

4–No salvation nor Mediator to salvation, the self does not need salvation because, since the self is God, there is no sin. Since there is no sin, all is relative and it follows that from no sin, a saviour is unnecessary. CLEARLY, this is PROOF the Secret is from Satan himself.

5–What would a Secret adherent say about the homeless, starving and malnourished living in Third World countries? What would a Secret follower say was the cause/reason for that life? Clearly, our God of Mercy and Grace would have far more sympathy, benevolence and compassion than a follower of the Secret would. Clearly, a Secret follower’s perspective serves the self and thus, gives glory to Satan, again.

Bluntly and plainly put and sad to say, the Secret is yet another form of Satanism plain and simple.

Amen and AMEN!!!

 

[gulmatan]

Counselling with worldly concern is just that, concern with worldly outcomes.
The I, me, can do tools we have in our counselling tool box when not taught authentically for the glory of My Father.

Sorry i reckon i am more confusing than what i posted b4 i dont know if the message here is truly the same

No problem this time. As soon as I became familiar with your wording, the context and where the missing punctuation goes in your latest post, I was able to discern the content, message and points you were trying to saying. Once I grasped it all, your message became much clearer.

Thanks

 

[Steven_John]

Hi Bro, you well?

 

[prodigalson12]

Hi Bro, you well?

I sent you a PM, doing well, how about you, lol.

 

[Charlotte408]

you know its a trip because one of my girlfriends just went recently and bought the movie “The Secret”. Im VERY open minded…and shes all excited…shes thinkin’ somehow its gonna make her rich…so it starts off, and its pretty well made…for someone as judgemental and critical as myself I noticed most of the testimonials could have easily been low paid actors…a little cheezy you know what I mean? Anyways, it starts off, like theres some historical content to it…like…at some point in history…something was discovered…and hidden…kept a secret…I kept waiting for any kinda academic/research/solid…bottom line…of what they found…but…it turns out it was an ‘idea’…that if you think and visualize something…it will come to you…

i rolled my eyes and looked over at my friend. i couldnt believe that she paid what? $35 for someone to tell her what i learned in kindergarten…‘you can do anything you put your mind to’…what a scam…lol…theres always people looking to ‘get rich’ or some easy fix that will fork out a couple dollars…that really adds up…all it takes is a good idea…heck look at the ‘Snuggy’!!

She took a blank check…and wrote it out to herself…for a million dollars…she pinned it to the wall…and everyday she looked at it, and told herself…her money was coming soon…TRUE STORY ON MY LIFE! and yes…in …about a week…a check came…her paycheck…its been almost a year and half since then…shes gotten several checks…
(paychecks/spousal support etc, none for any exorbitant amount of money or just ‘given’ to her)…i’m sure some idiot would be so brainwashed as to attribute those checks coming because she ‘thought’ them there…or something…but…really??? Shes over it and now looking into yoga…meditation stuff…i know shes lost and searching so i just put my catholic 2 cents in whenever i can…and pray…a lot…

i wouldnt even give it the credit of being a religion or a cult… its a complete con…

 

[Steven_John]

Maybe you dont understand, the cheques are a sign of better to come that show it is working, she really needs to by “the Secret deepened” now to get to the next level.
Most important that she does not listen to the “knockers” and just buys a little more encouragement.
Now she has the first part of the secret she needs to invest in herself.
Buy volume 2 only $99.99 where else would you get a million bucks that cheap? LOL

 

[Darrin_Donnelly]

This is a great discussion and we’re getting a lot of solid viewpoints!

Here’s where I think the Law of Attraction runs into major trouble.

First off, it’s NOTHING new. THE POWER OF YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS MIND by Joseph Murphy, THINK AND GROW RICH by Napoleon Hill, THE SCIENCE OF GETTING RICH by Wallace Wattles, THE SECRET OF THE AGES by Robert Collier, CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD by Neale Donald Walsch, all those books by Emmet Fox, and on and on the list goes. Go back and look at the dates these were published. They were all huge bestsellers over the last century at the time they were published and a new one gets published every 5-10 years (with a couple exceptions; for instance, nobody seemed to be buying this philosophy during WWII - surprise, surprise).

These books are all saying basically the same thing: that your mind creates your relaity. There is obviously some truth to this, which is why these books resonate with us. Of course we can all look back at times when our negative attitudes DID brought on more negative consequences. Of course we can look back on times when our positive attitudes were followed by positive results.

What’s often forgotten is all those times we worry ourselves silly and nothing bad really ends up happening. A recent example would be the flood of phone calls into doctors’ offices from worried parents about the swine flu. All those callers were worried sick parents who were convinced their child probably had the swine flu. Of course, VERY few children have actually caught this flu. The Law of Attraction would state that anyone worrying themselves into a frenzy would attract this flu to them. On the other hand, it would also say that anyone who DID catch that flu must have attracted it to them, which is extremely hard to believe considering nobody had even heard of the swine flu BEFORE people started catching it!

From a religious standpoint, it’s all rooted in Pantheism. It states that I’m God, you’re God, the chair you’re sitting in is God, EVERYTHING is God. Therefore, because we’re all connected and we’re all God (an indifferent power source), we can use our thoughts to attract and manifest the results and circumstances we desire (or are fearful of).

But simple logic tells us this can’t possibly be true. If it were, surely SOMEONE in the history of humanity would have been so “enlightened” as to attract a fountain of youth. Surely SOMEONE, perhaps even someone mentally ill, could have been 100% convinced that they were reversing the aging process. The Law of Attraction states that they would have in fact reversed the aging process and therefore, SOMEONE, most likely many THOUSANDS of people would be living today to the ages of 500, 600, even 1,000 years old. Where are those people?

I know it sounds kooky to make this kind of an argument, but that only proves how kooky the Law of Attraction is if you really buy into it 100% THE WAY all these people are teaching it.

Again, I’m not saying there isn’t a lot of truth to this concept that is true. The minds God gave us ARE extremely powerful. But to buy into the Pantheistic view that we are all tied into this “genie in a bottle” type of source and can instantly attract whatever and whoever we want is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Steven_John]

Interesting i have been reading the words of the bible as words.
the word “enkrateia” appears in the new testament and i think is Greek for being self controlled. In context i took it to mean that the spirit will gift you to be able to control your self.

In the OT i have not yet found a word of the same meaning it seems in the OT it was about YHWH being allowed to control us that we would surrender our will to His.

Strange how different ages view things differently, in the eye of these two offerings this thread is like the next progression.

1st YHWH knows does through us (beginning to and including Jesus teaching)
2nd YHWH gifts us to do for ourself (Pauls teaching of Jesus)
3rd we do our self (man teaching man)

 

[Darrin_Donnelly]

Strange how different ages view things differently, in the eye of these two offerings this thread is like the next progression.

Such an argument would seem to require that ALL of humanity, regardless of religious belief, progressed the same way, which hasn’t happened.

And actually, any form of Pantheism is a regression to the very first primitive concepts of God, Paganism included.

 

[Steven_John]

Such an argument would seem to require that ALL of humanity, regardless of religious belief, progressed the same way, which hasn’t happened.

And actually, any form of Pantheism is a regression to the very first primitive concepts of God, Paganism included.

I dont see that ALL of humanity progressed the same way. When i look around where i live i think it is.

I think our understanding of God is sliding toward primitive concepts, society here and my parish would argue its not primitive but relevant.

 

[prodigalson12]

I recently found that most peoples view of God, when it comes to how they love him is how their parents presented it within relation to them. So… if your parents were warm and loving, so is your view of God and vice versa. The concept has been driven too close to home, and very much in an alarming way, God is so, so much more loving.

 

[Steven_John]

I have discerned for me,

The law of attraction is a pro for believers and a con for unbelievers.

 

[cordula]

could you explain what the law of attraction is. Thanks

 

[Steven_John]

could you explain what the law of attraction is. Thanks

It would be easier to read the early pat of the thread and 4 more info ust google it.

Bless ya pray well and stay well

 

[Darrin_Donnelly]

I dont see that ALL of humanity progressed the same way. When i look around where i live i think it is.

Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought you were trying to make the argument that because humanity’s understanding of God has presumably progressed in this way, then it must hold some truth to it. To which I was simply saying that not EVERYONE has progressed in this way.

I think our understanding of God is sliding toward primitive concepts, society here and my parish would argue its not primitive but relevant.

Fair point, indeed. It’s something I’ve thought about often. Why SHOULD we think God made Himself so complicated to understand? Wouldn’t He instead want each of us to have an innate understanding of Him from the beginning? Of course, C.S. Lewis makes a strong argument for why Christianity is complicated and why therefore it reveals the truth about God.

There are strong arguments to both sides.

 

[Steven_John]

Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought you were trying to make the argument that because humanity’s understanding of God has presumably progressed in this way, then it must hold some truth to it. To which I was simply saying that not EVERYONE has progressed in this way.

Yes i see where we were that you speak of everyone. I saw it as the truth becoming evident but the source being denied, no source no substance.
I see a serious lake of substance here where i live.

Fair point, indeed. It’s something I’ve thought about often. Why SHOULD we think God made Himself so complicated to understand?

I feel we often miss His ability to have His will done in various people in various places. Ie the scholar and the dirt poor farmer. Denying Him then we seek us or in the case of this thread title the universe.

Wouldn’t He instead want each of us to have an innate understanding of Him from the beginning?

Not real sure if you mean from birth as individual or as people.
For me i think it would be the same for both we are supposed to grow understanding from experience both individually and collectively.
Again i dont think we do Him honour by getting full of ourselves the entire journey should be humble. A humble scholar will look for the truth of YHWH in the dirt poor farmer.

Of course, C.S. Lewis makes a strong argument for why Christianity is complicated and why therefore it reveals the truth about God.

Sorry never read him and know little of him

There are strong arguments to both sides

Amen to that, truth on both sides and it is actually one truth despite or viewing it as sides.

Bless ya

 

[Darrin_Donnelly]

I’ve studied this subject a lot, and here’s the conclusion I’ve reached.

I DO believe in the Law of Attraction - that is, that we attract what we focus on with our thoughts, words, and actions. I believe “mass consciousness” has a HUGE impact on how the Law of Attraction works, this is a much bigger impact than most of us are aware of. I believe this explains the “problem of evil” in many cases.

BUT, I don’t believe in the Law of Attraction the way a lot of people are teaching it. I don’t believe that we hold ALL the power in us and therefore have no need for a higher power: God.

I think there are many things we attract into our lives that are for our own good and our best interests, even if we might not understand it at the time. This is because God knows what’s best for us and wants what’s best for us, even if we don’t always see that.

I think the LOA gets kooky - as I mentioned before - when people start claiming you can attract things like reversal of the aging process. If this were possible, someone would have done it by now and would have lived to be 600 years old.

Why hasn’t this happened? Certainly, most people don’t “want” to die, so shouldn’t they be able to attract what they want?

I think this is a perfect example of a higher power, God, knowing what is best for our souls even when we don’t.

I believe in the Law of Attraction, but not as many people teach it. I believe that ultimately it invoves trusting God. Letting go and completely trusting God to attract what is best for you.

 

[prodigalson12]

I’ve studied this subject a lot, and here’s the conclusion I’ve reached.

I DO believe in the Law of Attraction - that is, that we attract what we focus on with our thoughts, words, and actions. I believe “mass consciousness” has a HUGE impact on how the Law of Attraction works, this is a much bigger impact than most of us are aware of. I believe this explains the “problem of evil” in many cases.

BUT, I don’t believe in the Law of Attraction the way a lot of people are teaching it. I don’t believe that we hold ALL the power in us and therefore have no need for a higher power: God.

I think there are many things we attract into our lives that are for our own good and our best interests, even if we might not understand it at the time. This is because God knows what’s best for us and wants what’s best for us, even if we don’t always see that.

I think the LOA gets kooky - as I mentioned before - when people start claiming you can attract things like reversal of the aging process. If this were possible, someone would have done it by now and would have lived to be 600 years old.

Why hasn’t this happened? Certainly, most people don’t “want” to die, so shouldn’t they be able to attract what they want?

I think this is a perfect example of a higher power, God, knowing what is best for our souls even when we don’t.

I believe in the Law of Attraction, but not as many people teach it. I believe that ultimately it invoves trusting God. Letting go and completely trusting God to attract what is best for you.

I tried to blend it in with biblical context, the two don’t work no matter how much you adjust how the LOA works in your mind. Example, someone gets killed in a car wreck, the other driver is drunk, the person is just going about their way as usual, not even focused upon getting in a wreck, then out of the blue, it’s over with. Did getting killed become part of God’s plan for a better you? I think not, the same goes with the many tragedies faced throuout the world.

Now, there is something in place that you might find interesting. It’s called resonince harmonics, “probably spelled wrong”, and how it works is like a psycic link of sorts between all of mankind, the same system is proven by observing a flock of birds, how they can change direction instantly without verbal orders given.