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Ridgerunner
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Uh, I’m embarrassed to admit I don’t know, but could you tell me the name of the movie so I can try to find it? I have a big picture of me going into a video place and asking for a “movie about Edith Stein”.
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MJE
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Remember there was a complaint from some Jewish groups re: Benedicta/Edith Stein’s murder.Their point was she was killed by the Nazi’s because she was Jewish not because she was a RC nun.
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Eden
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I think it’s important to understand what it means to make a person a saint. That simply means that we are certain that this particular person is in heaven. All people in heaven are saints.
So, canonizing Edith Stein is an acknowledgement that she is in heaven. I’m aware of at least one miracle attributed to her intercession which was part of the evidence of her cause for sainthood. Whether or not the martyrdom status is accurate or not since she died for being Jewish is an interesting side issue, but it shouldn’t negate the recognition by the Church that she is in heaven now.
Here is a short article about the family of Edith Stein who were at the Vatican for her Canonization:
depts.washington.edu/uweek/archives/1998.11.NOV_19/_article4.html
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Eden
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Here is an article from a Catholic website, which of course reflects the Catholic perspective on her martyrdom. But it provides interesting details of the miracle attributed to Edith Stein’s intercession that I think everyone can appreciate:
catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=805
By the way, the article should read “Eastern Rite”, not “Easter rite”.
catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=805
By the way, the article should read “Eastern Rite”, not “Easter rite”.
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Karin
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What a wonderful article…thank you for posting the link to it
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Valke2
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But my understanding is that E. Stein acquiered her sainthood through martydom. Acknowleding that she’s in heaven is fine. I’m just pointing out the argument that some Jewish groups made.
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Valke2
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Mostly because I didn’t want anyone to think that Jews were disputing her cause of death, as one of the prior posts could have been interpeted.
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Valke2
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The other reason that this may be a touchy subject for many Jews is the fear of the Shoah being “transformed” into a Christian savior event. I’m thinking now of the issue of putting the cross/crosses on the fields of Auschwitz. To cloth what happened there as a redemptive event would be insulting to Jews. And I can see how the issue with Edith Stein could become intertwined with that concern.
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Fidelis
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Also, could someone recommend a simple and readable introduction to this saint – perhaps a biography of highlights of her writings? Sometimes (for me, anyway) it’s easier to ease into complex writings this way.
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Valke2
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The link that Eden posted gives a good overview and also names the movie.
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Karin
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Not to lessen the lose of Jewish life during the Holocaust …but others also lost their lives during this time at the hands of the Nazi’s…is it wrong to remember them with a cross or crosses on the land that they died on?
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Valke2
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When the desire to remember comes at the expense of the honoring the loss of the Jewish people, yes.
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Karin
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I think all that lost their lives during the Holocaust should be remembered equally
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Valke2
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But it is not the remembering that is the issue. It is the attempt to make the Shoah a redemptive act.
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Valke2
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also, 9 out of 10 people murdered in Auschwitz were jews. If you were to put a Magan David for each jew murdered there, there would be no room to walk.
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Karin
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I dont think that anybody has said lets forget about the Jews that died…I know that I have not…but I would like to honor the nonjews that lost their lives during the holocaust also not just the jewish lives that where lost.
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Sixtus
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We hear so much about how the Jews suffered in the Holocaust and RIGHTLY SO.
But we do not hear about the non-Jews. There were as many non-Jews who perished as there were Jews, about 6000,000. There is so far as I know, no epitaph to them. Many of them were Catholics. There were of course all denominations of religion and politics. But Hitler hated the Catholic Church as he saw it as a threat to his power base. Catholic Priests and Bishops also sploke out boldly form the pulpit about the evils of Nazism and the persecution of the Jews. This made Catholics a target for Hitler. One of the reasons why the Vatican suppressed overt criticism of the Nazis as they threatened to wipe out catholicism in the occupied world and there was a lot more than 6000,000 at least 50 times that number.
But the Pope encouraged a lot of underground activity to protect the Jews. Hence why he was visited after the war by so many eminent Jews and entered into their sacred book of remembrance. Shame those who criticised the Vatican [as appearing to do nothing therefore, if you cant see it, it does not exist] attitude.
But we do not hear about the non-Jews. There were as many non-Jews who perished as there were Jews, about 6000,000. There is so far as I know, no epitaph to them. Many of them were Catholics. There were of course all denominations of religion and politics. But Hitler hated the Catholic Church as he saw it as a threat to his power base. Catholic Priests and Bishops also sploke out boldly form the pulpit about the evils of Nazism and the persecution of the Jews. This made Catholics a target for Hitler. One of the reasons why the Vatican suppressed overt criticism of the Nazis as they threatened to wipe out catholicism in the occupied world and there was a lot more than 6000,000 at least 50 times that number.
But the Pope encouraged a lot of underground activity to protect the Jews. Hence why he was visited after the war by so many eminent Jews and entered into their sacred book of remembrance. Shame those who criticised the Vatican [as appearing to do nothing therefore, if you cant see it, it does not exist] attitude.
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Sixtus
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The Vatican is also criticised for helping some top Nazis escape.
Why? The pope negotiated for the lives of 20,000 Jews in exchange for the guarranteed safe passage out of Europe if the war went pear shaped on the Nazis. The deal was done.
I ask you: was the Pope right to exchange 20,000 Jews [saving them from certain death] for one Nazi?
I think the Pope did extremely well. What do you say?
Why? The pope negotiated for the lives of 20,000 Jews in exchange for the guarranteed safe passage out of Europe if the war went pear shaped on the Nazis. The deal was done.
I ask you: was the Pope right to exchange 20,000 Jews [saving them from certain death] for one Nazi?
I think the Pope did extremely well. What do you say?
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Karin
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That Sixtus is a very loaded question…
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