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La Repubblica’s english translation.

Read the whole thing and avoid headlines. This one is half the size of the previous one. This one was with the atheist editor with whom the Pope has exchanged letters.
 
Similar to John Paul II, Francis appears quite comfortable speaking in an extemporaneous manner. I am glad I have the gift of a quiet environment to read such personal perspectives.

There is little doubt in my mind the Pope wants us to examine and debate/argue over how we all present Christianity to others. If our orientation isn’t to instinctively reach out to those who are most vulnerable we’re missing the boat. Yet, frankly, his derogatory and critical comments towards others (leaders, past popes, etc… ) must be meant to shake things up and get people to state what they “really think”. Honesty is a good thing.
 
“And I repeat it here. Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place.” - Pope Francis, from the interview.

Is he preaching relativism here?
 
“And I repeat it here. Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place.” - Pope Francis, from the interview.

Is he preaching relativism here?
He is not preaching anything. He is having a conversation.

That’s what Jesuits do, they converse with other people made in the image of God, people who can be their friend. Everything he says is in the context of Jesuit spirituality. Jesuits view God as a person with whom they can converse and all humans as people made in the image of God with whom they can be friends.

When he says follow the good, if you read the context, it means good toward man…do unto others as you would have them do unto you." A few lines down…

Interviewer: Love your neighbor as yourself.
Pope: Exactly so.


He is not preaching about dogma and doctrine or relativism or morality but having a conversation in which he says, “That would be enough to make the world a better place.” He is exactly right.

-Tim-
 
“And I repeat it here. Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place.” - Pope Francis, from the interview.

Is he preaching relativism here?
For the record:

UPDATE: It appears the folks at La Repubblica may not have been as careful in their translation as the folks at America. Nun Blog notes:

I’ve only scanned the interview and found two eyebrow-raisers. A bit of research into the Italian original showed me that both are translation issues. And serious ones, to my mind. (What? Did they use Google Translate?) So I am going to just hurry to post the differences between the English as published and my own rather literal Italian.

If “everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them,” is the Pope saying that there is no such thing as objective truth, or objective right or wrong? This is where it is really, really helpful to know Italian: “Ciascuno di noi ha una sua visione del Bene e anche del Male. Noi dobbiamo incitarlo a procedere verso quello che lui pensa sia il Bene” is more literally (and helpfully?) translated as “Each one of us has his/her own vision of the Good or even of Evil. We must encourage him/her to move toward that which he/she sees as the Good.” The Pope is not leveling the difference between truth and untruth, right and wrong: he is saying that we all have a duty to encourage people to pursue the Good, knowing that the true Good will not fail to manifest himself, even if “through a glass darkly.”

Here’s another whopper: “The Son of God became incarnate in the souls of men to instill the feeling of brotherhood.” Um, the Son of God did not become incarnate in souls. He became incarnate in human nature, in his own human flesh and blood. The Italian is ” Il Figlio di Dio si è incarnato per infondere nell’anima degli uomini il sentimento della fratellanza”: “The Son of God became incarnate to infuse into the soul of men [could say “the human soul”] the feeling of brotherhood.”

Take the rest of the interview with a grain of salt–and with the Catechism at hand, knowing–as Pope Francis told Father Spadaro– that he is a “son of the Church” and that everything he says should be interpreted in the light of Church teachings.

patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2013/10/first-reaction-to-pope-francis-interview-context/
 
“And I repeat it here. Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place.” - Pope Francis, from the interview.

Is he preaching relativism here?
Have a look at the post below in the other Thread on the interview. Maybe it is a question of lost in translation (after all Pope Francis has been very consistent)?
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It appears that the translation of at least some parts into English was off?
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If “everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them,” is the Pope saying that there is no such thing as objective truth, or objective right or wrong? This is where it is really, really helpful to know Italian: “Ciascuno di noi ha una sua visione del Bene e anche del Male. Noi dobbiamo incitarlo a procedere verso quello che lui pensa sia il Bene” is more literally (and helpfully?) translated as “Each one of us has his/her own vision of the Good or even of Evil. We must encourage him/her to move toward that which he/she sees as the Good.” The Pope is not leveling the difference between truth and untruth, right and wrong: he is saying that we all have a duty to encourage people to pursue the Good, knowing that the true Good will not fail to manifest himself, even if “through a glass darkly.”
Here’s another whopper: “The Son of God became incarnate in the souls of men to instill the feeling of brotherhood.” Um, the Son of God did not become incarnate in souls. He became incarnate in human nature, in his own human flesh and blood. The Italian is " Il Figlio di Dio si è incarnato per infondere nell’anima degli uomini il sentimento della fratellanza": “The Son of God became incarnate to infuse into the soul of men [could say “the human soul”] the feeling of brotherhood.”
romans8v29.blogspot.co.uk/201…terview-2.html
 
“And I repeat it here. Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place.” - Pope Francis, from the interview.

Is he preaching relativism here?
**“The gentiles who do not have the law, do by nature the things of the law. They show the work of the law written on their hearts.” **
The teaching on the absolute obligation to follow one’s conscience when one is certain what is the good is difficult to wrap our head around. I still don’t like it. But God made it that way, so I’ll accept it.

Yet, it’s quite reasonable to sincerely hope the Pope finds occasion to expand on the formation of the conscience to a Christian audience.

Of course, we as practicing Catholics hopefully fully understand the grave duty of forming our conscience by the Word of God and constant teachings of the Church. And this education is a lifelong process. Benedict XVI was a certainly sharing the truth of the great need of an “adult” faith.
Today, having a clear faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism. Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be “tossed here and there, carried about by every wind of doctrine”, seems the only attitude that can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists solely of one’s own ego and desires.
We, however, have a different goal: the Son of God, the true man. He is the measure of true humanism. An “adult” faith is not a faith that follows the trends of fashion and the latest novelty; a mature adult faith is deeply rooted in friendship with Christ. It is this friendship that opens us up to all that is good and gives us a criterion by which to distinguish the true from the false, and deceit from truth.
Now later on in the conversation the interviewer reveals an important detail. And I found the pope’s reply had an ominous warning tone to it. (I got a chill up my spine).

**
Your Holiness, may I tell you something about my own cultural background? I was raised by a mother who was a strict Catholic. At the age of 12 I won a catechism contest held by all the parishes in Rome and I was given a prize by the Vicariate. I took communion on the first Friday of every month, in other words, I was a practicing Catholic and a true believer. But all that changed when I entered high school. I read, among other philosophical texts that we studied, Descartes’ “Discourse on Method” and I was struck by the phrase, which has now become an icon, “I think, therefore I am.” The individual thus became the basis of human existence, the seat of free thought.
“Descartes, however, never denied faith in a transcendent God.”
**
I don’t think anything else needed to be said.

Thankfully the pope gave a negative to the most vital question! (I admit the question fed my twisted humor)

"Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist party?" (or something to that effect heh)
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He is not preaching anything. He is having a conversation.

That’s what Jesuits do, they converse with other people made in the image of God, people who can be their friend. Everything he says is in the context of Jesuit spirituality. Jesuits view God as a person with whom they can converse and all humans as people made in the image of God with whom they can be friends.

When he says follow the good, if you read the context, it means good toward man…do unto others as you would have them do unto you." A few lines down…

Interviewer: Love your neighbor as yourself.
Pope: Exactly so.

He is not preaching about dogma and doctrine or relativism or morality but having a conversation in which he says, “That would be enough to make the world a better place.” He is exactly right.

-Tim-
Okay, but conversations are not their own sphere of communication necessarily cut off from motives. “Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them,” will be interpreted as a license to do what one wants because that is the easiest interpretation.

To the modern mind, attaining things of desire=the ultimate good.
 
YTC

Somebody has already pointed out that La Repubblica English translation is incorrect. see above
 
The translation errors are a red herring. Even when translated correctly they are still problematic.

For instance :
Here’s another whopper: “The Son of God became incarnate in the souls of men to instill the feeling of brotherhood.” Um, the Son of God did not become incarnate in souls. He became incarnate in human nature, in his own human flesh and blood. The Italian is " Il Figlio di Dio si è incarnato per infondere nell’anima degli uomini il sentimento della fratellanza": “The Son of God became incarnate to infuse into the soul of men [could say “the human soul”] the feeling of brotherhood.”
Because the translation wasn’t accurate, does not mean the accurate translation has any more meaning.

The latter sentence in itself is absurd as well… “feeling of brotherhood”
That is recycled 1960’s theology, emphasis on man. “Brotherhood” also is related to some of the Masonic notions that crept in that time , even into the Church.

I am bothered by certain fellow Catholics who think they have to spin on behalf of the Pope. Let the interviews rest on their own merit. If they have none, then no amount of spin, will support them. Errors will fade in time, if Truth is professed more boldly.

True love for the Pope, is the desire for him to exercise his office well, acknowledging we are under the Pope, the only way we can exercise any of our strengths to correct him , at least interceding on behalf of him, is to appeal to those who are higher than him … to Jesus and Mary, St Peter and past Popes who have become Saints.

Another problem.

Just call these interviews problematic and be done with it.

For one who is firm in his faith, he is not going to be bothered by the Pope. What he will be bothered by are the sheep who are more easily lost and swayed by the Pope’s behavior or informal speaking.

To say “he isn’t preaching” is not accurate. We all preach regardless of how we use our words. We preach in our actions, in our conversations, how much more does the man in the office of the Pope.
He isn’t confined to just taking the hat off , where can exercise his authority , 2 percent of the time he is the Pope.

We can have men who do the job poorly. Yet we have Catholics doing a disservice, by saying the Pope always does his job well as a person, in its human leadership as opposed to its divine assistance through the Holy Spirit. If that were true, we would never had had the abuses that arose and fell and consequential natures that occurred like the Protestant Reformation. That is not obedience or fealty to the Pope, that is creating a Cult of personality around him.
We don’t have to criticize him or question him, for example I don’t see how anyone should be suspicious of his governorship duties of reforming the Cardinals. It’s up to the Pope!

But because of this understanding of hierarchy , we don’t abuse that as part of the body of the Church, we dont’ have to laud him when he is making mistakes in his person. We pray for him instead.

In the interview he laughs off the notion of converting someone. Then later the interviewr, who seems to be more interested on the subject of conversion (for who knows why? Grace? )

Q. Your Holiness, you said that you have no intention of trying to convert me and I do not think you would succeed.
A. “We cannot know that, but I don’t have any such intention.”

I wish he said , “who knows where the power of prayer can lead one”

True love is willing the good for the beloved.
I know we live in a Pluralistic society, but to be indifferent like that? Whether or not the Pope has that in his heart, is unknown, but any Catholic or non-Catholic reading that will think that is the attitude to keep having. We’ve been having that. That our faith is a private endeavor.

The Truth is the pearl of great price! I would hope on prayers on behalf of people who I know or barely even know that they may come to know Christ some day, not be left in their errors. They would be damned.

To be overly pessimistic is false , to have a perpetual optimism and trying to constantly sell that to lay Catholics is false. To be realistic is to be Catholic because it calls for one to be constantly vigilant acknowledging that man in this world, is a wayfarer.

“Life is a warfare” - St. Ignatius of Loyola

It is not every century that a Pope resigns. There was definitely spiritual warfare going on… This has significance in the transition between Pope Francis and Pope Benedict. I’m sure Pope Francis is in more ardent need of prayers given his background and possible formation.
I believe we can have weaker or stronger popes.

Laity can fail when they think the Pope is always right in his humanity too, that is to say that the Church will never suffer or undergo stormy seas. That Christ was too great to undergo his passion, as a man.

Out of obedience as laity, it’s our duty to recognize where our place is, when we speak.
 
The teaching on the absolute obligation to follow one’s conscience when one is certain what is the good is difficult to wrap our head around. I still don’t like it. But God made it that way, so I’ll accept it.
Of course, we as practicing Catholics hopefully fully understand the grave duty of forming our conscience by the Word of God and constant teachings of the Church. And this education is a lifelong process.
Your sentence is incomplete.
God didn’t make it that way because He had more to say about it, through his Church. That we are obligated to follow our conscience? When HE is certain? Is deficient. because we are not saved by our own powers, that is almost pelagian on behalf of the Pagan.

It is always Grace that moves, and not just the Conscience, but the duty to form a CORRECT Conscience that CONFORMS WITH Natural Law,

The problem here is lack of distinction of what one’s concept of Conscience is , especially in the modern world.

That the law is written our hearts can be overruled by the will. One can place himself out of ORDER with Divine Law. As the Church teaches, a MAL-FORMED conscience

Good becomes relative. When one forms his conscience outside of Natural Law , outside of the Divine Will, when the will is no longer conforming with God’s will.

The major thing that people miss, is the Effects of Sin, that occur in twisting the intellect to not understand the Law written in all our hearts.
What one perceives is “good” is not sufficient. It can be corrupted.

Conscience should be defined in relation to Sin, and our nature.
If there is no Preaching of the reality of SIN, how can the reality of Christ as Savior, be most understood?

So even your citation that is our “obligation to follow our conscience” assumes/presumes much that it is congruent with Church teaching about the Natural law, and conformity with the Lord’s will.

Man’s will. Is not enough. Now academically, one can say one who is invincibly ignorant must listen to his heart in a time before Christ’s Mystical Body reached them, but even then in manner of speaking, in understanding the context of the world today, the law within the heart is not necessarily the same as the intellect of today’s man. So deference to “THE conscience” in and OF ITSELF. IS INSUFFICIENT.
(The Pagans of today, are not the same as the Pagans before Christ, because they even were still more saturated with the Natural law and the understanding of the Divine with society. The Pagans today are increasingly, increasingly without excuse. )

I already posted about this subject on another thread in the News Section.
 
The translation errors are a red herring. Even when translated correctly they are still problematic.

For instance :

Because the translation wasn’t accurate, does not mean the accurate translation has any more meaning.

The latter sentence in itself is absurd as well… “feeling of brotherhood”
That is recycled 1960’s theology, emphasis on man. “Brotherhood” also is related to some of the Masonic notions that crept in that time , even into the Church.

I am bothered by certain fellow Catholics who think they have to spin on behalf of the Pope. Let the interviews rest on their own merit. If they have none, then no amount of spin, will support them. Errors will fade in time, if Truth is professed more boldly.

True love for the Pope, is the desire for him to exercise his office well, acknowledging we are under the Pope, the only way we can exercise any of our strengths to correct him , at least interceding on behalf of him, is to appeal to those who are higher than him … to Jesus and Mary, St Peter and past Popes who have become Saints.

Another problem.

Just call these interviews problematic and be done with it.

For one who is firm in his faith, he is not going to be bothered by the Pope. What he will be bothered by are the sheep who are more easily lost and swayed by the Pope’s behavior or informal speaking.

To say “he isn’t preaching” is not accurate. We all preach regardless of how we use our words. We preach in our actions, in our conversations, how much more does the man in the office of the Pope.
He isn’t confined to just taking the hat off , where can exercise his authority , 2 percent of the time he is the Pope.

We can have men who do the job poorly. Yet we have Catholics doing a disservice, by saying the Pope always does his job well as a person, in its human leadership as opposed to its divine assistance through the Holy Spirit. If that were true, we would never had had the abuses that arose and fell and consequential natures that occurred like the Protestant Reformation. That is not obedience or fealty to the Pope, that is creating a Cult of personality around him.
We don’t have to criticize him or question him, for example I don’t see how anyone should be suspicious of his governorship duties of reforming the Cardinals. It’s up to the Pope!

But because of this understanding of hierarchy , we don’t abuse that as part of the body of the Church, we dont’ have to laud him when he is making mistakes in his person. We pray for him instead.

In the interview he laughs off the notion of converting someone. Then later the interviewr, who seems to be more interested on the subject of conversion (for who knows why? Grace? )

Q. Your Holiness, you said that you have no intention of trying to convert me and I do not think you would succeed.
A. “We cannot know that, but I don’t have any such intention.”

I wish he said , “who knows where the power of prayer can lead one”

True love is willing the good for the beloved.
I know we live in a Pluralistic society, but to be indifferent like that? Whether or not the Pope has that in his heart, is unknown, but any Catholic or non-Catholic reading that will think that is the attitude to keep having. We’ve been having that. That our faith is a private endeavor.

The Truth is the pearl of great price! I would hope on prayers on behalf of people who I know or barely even know that they may come to know Christ some day, not be left in their errors. They would be damned.

To be overly pessimistic is false , to have a perpetual optimism and trying to constantly sell that to lay Catholics is false. To be realistic is to be Catholic because it calls for one to be constantly vigilant acknowledging that man in this world, is a wayfarer.

“Life is a warfare” - St. Ignatius of Loyola

It is not every century that a Pope resigns. There was definitely spiritual warfare going on… This has significance in the transition between Pope Francis and Pope Benedict. I’m sure Pope Francis is in more ardent need of prayers given his background and possible formation.
I believe we can have weaker or stronger popes.

Laity can fail when they think the Pope is always right in his humanity too, that is to say that the Church will never suffer or undergo stormy seas. That Christ was too great to undergo his passion, as a man.

Out of obedience as laity, it’s our duty to recognize where our place is, when we speak.
Thanks, very well said.

How does the below square with what Francis said

A Doctrinal Note on some Aspects of Evangelisation’ by the CDF in 2007.

“There is today, however, a growing confusion which leads many to leave the missionary command of the Lord unheard and ineffective (cf. Mt 28:19). Often it is maintained that any attempt to convince others on religious matters is a limitation of their freedom. From this perspective, it would only be legitimate to present one’s own ideas and to invite people to act according to their consciences, without aiming at their conversion to Christ and to the Catholic faith. It is enough, so they say, to help people to become more human or more faithful to their own religion; it is enough to build communities which strive for justice, freedom, peace and solidarity. Furthermore, some maintain that Christ should not be proclaimed to those who do not know him, nor should joining the Church be promoted, since it would also be possible to be saved without explicit knowledge of Christ and without formal incorporation in the Church.”
 
We can have men who do the job poorly. Yet we have Catholics doing a disservice, by saying the Pope always does his job well as a person, in its human leadership as opposed to its divine assistance through the Holy Spirit. If that were true, we would never had had the abuses that arose and fell and consequential natures that occurred like the Protestant Reformation. That is not obedience or fealty to the Pope, that is creating a Cult of personality around him.
The entire post was excellent, i just wanted to comment on this one paragraph. I visited the Vatican a few years ago and could not deny the blatant Cult of Personality manifested on every street vendor’s table, who are only providing what demand calls for. Where are the icons of Jesus and Mary i asked?
I wonder if this pope is God’s cure for us.
 
YTC

Somebody has already pointed out that La Repubblica English translation is incorrect. see above
Yes, I now see that. Perhaps it would be prudent for workers at the Holy See to not only approve original words, but also “official” translations by Catholic organizations.
 
Your sentence is incomplete.

God didn’t make it that way because He had more to say about it, through his Church. That we are obligated to follow our conscience? When HE is certain? Is deficient. because we are not saved by our own powers, that is almost pelagian on behalf of the Pagan.
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One is obligated to follow an erroneous conscience, if one is not aware that it is erroneous. Now if you can demonstrate to me that a “malformed conscience” differs in substance to an “erroneous conscience” - I would be interested.

A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself. Yet it can happen that moral conscience remains in ignorance and makes erroneous judgments about acts to be performed or already committed. CCC 1790

If most follow an erroneous conscience, I do NOT believe the world will be a better place.
 
The translation errors are a red herring. Even when translated correctly they are still problematic.

For instance :

Because the translation wasn’t accurate, does not mean the accurate translation has any more meaning.

The latter sentence in itself is absurd as well… “feeling of brotherhood”
That is recycled 1960’s theology, emphasis on man. “Brotherhood” also is related to some of the Masonic notions that crept in that time , even into the Church.

I am bothered by certain fellow Catholics who think they have to spin on behalf of the Pope. Let the interviews rest on their own merit. If they have none, then no amount of spin, will support them. Errors will fade in time, if Truth is professed more boldly.

True love for the Pope, is the desire for him to exercise his office well, acknowledging we are under the Pope, the only way we can exercise any of our strengths to correct him , at least interceding on behalf of him, is to appeal to those who are higher than him … to Jesus and Mary, St Peter and past Popes who have become Saints.

Another problem.

Just call these interviews problematic and be done with it.

For one who is firm in his faith, he is not going to be bothered by the Pope. What he will be bothered by are the sheep who are more easily lost and swayed by the Pope’s behavior or informal speaking.

To say “he isn’t preaching” is not accurate. We all preach regardless of how we use our words. We preach in our actions, in our conversations, how much more does the man in the office of the Pope.
He isn’t confined to just taking the hat off , where can exercise his authority , 2 percent of the time he is the Pope.

We can have men who do the job poorly. Yet we have Catholics doing a disservice, by saying the Pope always does his job well as a person, in its human leadership as opposed to its divine assistance through the Holy Spirit. If that were true, we would never had had the abuses that arose and fell and consequential natures that occurred like the Protestant Reformation. That is not obedience or fealty to the Pope, that is creating a Cult of personality around him.
We don’t have to criticize him or question him, for example I don’t see how anyone should be suspicious of his governorship duties of reforming the Cardinals. It’s up to the Pope!

But because of this understanding of hierarchy , we don’t abuse that as part of the body of the Church, we dont’ have to laud him when he is making mistakes in his person. We pray for him instead.

In the interview he laughs off the notion of converting someone. Then later the interviewr, who seems to be more interested on the subject of conversion (for who knows why? Grace? )

Q. Your Holiness, you said that you have no intention of trying to convert me and I do not think you would succeed.
A. “We cannot know that, but I don’t have any such intention.”

I wish he said , “who knows where the power of prayer can lead one”

True love is willing the good for the beloved.
I know we live in a Pluralistic society, but to be indifferent like that? Whether or not the Pope has that in his heart, is unknown, but any Catholic or non-Catholic reading that will think that is the attitude to keep having. We’ve been having that. That our faith is a private endeavor.

The Truth is the pearl of great price! I would hope on prayers on behalf of people who I know or barely even know that they may come to know Christ some day, not be left in their errors. They would be damned.

To be overly pessimistic is false , to have a perpetual optimism and trying to constantly sell that to lay Catholics is false. To be realistic is to be Catholic because it calls for one to be constantly vigilant acknowledging that man in this world, is a wayfarer.

“Life is a warfare” - St. Ignatius of Loyola

It is not every century that a Pope resigns. There was definitely spiritual warfare going on… This has significance in the transition between Pope Francis and Pope Benedict. I’m sure Pope Francis is in more ardent need of prayers given his background and possible formation.
I believe we can have weaker or stronger popes.

Laity can fail when they think the Pope is always right in his humanity too, that is to say that the Church will never suffer or undergo stormy seas. That Christ was too great to undergo his passion, as a man.

Out of obedience as laity, it’s our duty to recognize where our place is, when we speak.
Very well said. 👍
 
Q. Your Holiness, you said that you have no intention of trying to convert me and I do not think you would succeed.
A. “We cannot know that, but I don’t have any such intention.”

Sorry, but I don’t get that answer. Why wouldn’t the successor of Peter have the intention to convert an atheist? God desires all men to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I don’t understand why the Pope continues to give interviews. This is one that he sought out. It seems to me he enjoys the limelight. I wish someone like Cardinal Burke would have a talk with the Pope who, in my opinion, is confusing the faithful with these off the cuff interviews.
 
One is obligated to follow an erroneous conscience, if one is not aware that it is erroneous. Now if you can demonstrate to me that a “malformed conscience” differs in substance to an “erroneous conscience” - I would be interested.

A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself. Yet it can happen that moral conscience remains in ignorance and makes erroneous judgments about acts to be performed or already committed. CCC 1790

If most follow an erroneous conscience, I do NOT believe the world will be a better place.
I think the issue here is not that Pope actually said anything wrong. The issue here is that he left out some of the important parts. Here is an atheist who probably has a malformed conscience and is seeing the Church teaching as against his conscience. To tell such a man to follow his conscience while leaving out the part that he has a responsibility to make sure it is properly formed is to give half the message.

On the same note, there is a deeper problem in atheism than other religions in that there is no way to say if a conscience is properly formed or not. The conscience can therefore be entirely formed on ones emotional experiences and preferences or any other arbitrary system one can think of.

With respect to other religions, the conscience can become distorted because every religion apart from Catholicism contains errors.

All of this is reason for us to want to convert others to the Catholic faith so that they can inform their conscience properly and answer God’s Grace. While they are outside the Church, there is a much higher chance of rejecting God’s Grace due to the malformed conscience and other temptations and snares of the Devil.

None of this was stated in the interview and in fact the whole need for conversion was thrown out as something to not be pursued.
 
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. Here is an atheist who probably has a malformed conscience and is seeing the Church teaching as against his conscience. To tell such a man to follow his conscience while leaving out the part that he has a responsibility to make sure it is properly formed is to give half the message.

On the same note, there is a deeper problem in atheism than other religions in that there is no way to say if a conscience is properly formed or not. The conscience can therefore be entirely formed on ones emotional experiences and preferences or any other arbitrary system one can think of.

With respect to other religions, the conscience can become distorted because every religion apart from Catholicism contains errors.

All of this is reason for us to want to convert others to the Catholic faith so that they can inform their conscience properly and answer God’s Grace. While they are outside the Church, there is a much higher chance of rejecting God’s Grace due to the malformed conscience and other temptations and snares of the Devil.

None of this was stated in the interview and in fact the whole need for conversion was thrown out as something to not be pursued.
Exactly.
 
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