The Liturgy Of The Hours

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Imcatholic7 said:
Does anyone who owns the 4-volume set from divineoffice.org know if it contains ALL of the daily prayers, not just the “morning prayer, daytime prayer, evening prayer, night prayer” Listed on the website? Thanks!
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You’ve lost me:o

It contains everything (last time that I checked). divineoffice.org is only available electronically. (I think this is what you are asking :o )
 
Someone earlier in the thread asked about The Liturgy Of The Hours in e-book form.
 
Imcatholic7 said:
Does anyone who owns the 4-volume set from divineoffice.org know if it contains ALL of the daily prayers, not just the “morning prayer, daytime prayer, evening prayer, night prayer” Listed on the website? Thanks!
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It contains one series of three psalms for Daytime prayer and then there is a Complementary Psalmody for Midmorning, Midday and Midafternoon.

So each day there is a set of psalms that you might use for midmoring prayer, midday or midafternoon. Then if you can say more than one day prayer you go to the complementary psalmody but they will be the same psalms each day.

What I did was make little copies of psalms 128-132 to add to the complementary psalmody for those days when I was doing all seven hours.
 
Christian Prayer does not contain the Office of Readings. These readings are soild and recommended by the Second Vatican Council. They offer Sacred Tradition and this communicates with the prayers of the day. It offers the proper harmonic.

By far I would say it is a grave mistake to overlook the four volume set.
 
animalis said:
Christian Prayer does not contain the Office of Readings. These readings are soild and recommended by the Second Vatican Council. They offer Sacred Tradition and this communicates with the prayers of the day. It offers the proper harmonic.

By far I would say it is a grave mistake to overlook the four volume set.
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Not it’s not a mistake to overlook the four volume set and opting for the shorter version.

The Secular Order Carmelites use both the shorter version and the 4 volume set.

Being the 4 volume set cost $130 and the shorter version cost $30, many people can’t afford to put out the money for the 4 volume set and the shorter version is perfectly fine.

When my wife and my started out in Carmel, we would’ve had to buy two 4 volume sets, $260. We couldn’t afford it, so we bought the shorter version, Eventually, we got the 4 volume set after a friend gave my wife his deceased friend’s set. I purchased my own.

Morning and Evening prayer are the only requirements for Carmelites and other 3rd order groups to pray and from my 25 years of experience, most people don’t have the time to add the Office of the Readings before starting out their day.

Heck, most priest don’t say the Office of the Readings on a daily basis, but do say the Morning and Evening prayers.

Don’t mislead people who are considering taking up this wonderful way of prayer, but can only afford the shorter version of the Liturgy of the Hours.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Morning and Evening prayer are the only requirements for Carmelites and other 3rd order groups to pray and from my 25 years of experience, most people don’t have the time to add the Office of the Readings before starting out their day.
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This is true. If a lay person can do Morning and Evening prayer on a consistent basis that alone is great. Compline and at least one daytime prayer are easy to add most of the time but not always. All three day prayers and Office of reading is pretty much for someone in a monestary whose day is built around the office.

There have been periods in my life when I tried to do all the hours. It is a very rich experience but difficult to maintain as a perminent practice.
 
There are a couple of good apps for iPhone/iPad users (not sure about other platforms):

Laudate - includes LOTH and much more

iBreviary - this one is good because you can download the entire day, in case you aren’t going to have wifi later. It also has multiple languages (incl Latin).
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Yup. Christian Prayer also doesn’t repeat the antiphons (I’ve always wondered why–they aren’t that long).
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Repeating the antiphon is optional:
  1. At the beginning of each psalm its own antiphon is always to be recited, as noted in nos. 113-120. At the end of the psalm the practice of concluding with the Glory to the Father and As it was in the beginning is retained. This is the fitting conclusion endorsed by tradition and it gives to Old Testament prayer a note of praise and a Christological and Trinitarian sense. The antiphon may be repeated at the end of the psalm.
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(from the General Instructions of the Liturgy of the Hours; bold is mine)

In the community I’m affiliated with, if the antiphon is sung (always in Latin) it is repeated as musically the mode of the antiphon is designed to set the psalm tone and the finale of the psalmody is meant to blend into the mode of the antiphon.

When they recite the psalmody recto-tono (in monotone, as is done at Vigils and the minor hours), they don’t repeat the antiphon at the end. Compline, in the monastic tradition, is chanted without antiphon “in directum”. I’m guessing in Christian Prayer, most folks are reciting so it isn’t really necessary to repeat the antiphon. If the Office is being sung or chanted, probably they’ll be using some other book with musical notation (such as the Mudelein Psalter in English, Les Heures Grégoriennes in French, or for a community, they probably have printed their own books with the music, or at least an antiphonary of sorts with the antiphons and psalm tones). Outside communities and cathedral chapters, I very much doubt the Office is sung or chanted very often.

Historically, at the start of a psalm, only the first part of the antiphon was intoned by the cantor when chanting in community (up to the * in the antiphon), the cantor would then chant the first hemistich of the first verse, then his side of the choir would chant the second hemistich, then the entire community would chant the psalm alternating both sides of the choir, and after the Gloria Patri, the antiphon would be sung by all in full.

In the 1950s under the reign of Pius XII, this practice was changed: the cantor would intone the antiphon up to the “*”, and the choir and cantor would complete it, then begins the psalmody: the cantor intones the first hemistich, and his side of the choir does the second hemistich, then the other side of the choir picks up the next verse, alternating until the Gloria Patri. Then the entire choir repeats the antiphon. This is the current practice.
 
You should, since you are a beginner, start out with the one volume Christian Prayer. I personally started out with Shorter Christian Prayer which is extra-abridged of Christian Prayer. I use Christian Prayer at least three times a day and I feel that this is just enough of prayers to get me through the day. I’m holding off till I have a lot of free time on my hands to buy the four volume set because I feel that unless I dedicate a good deal of my day to the Liturgy of the Hours, then I would do an injustice to the four volume set. Since you are a beginner you should really just buy Christian Prayer, use it for a month or two and then upgrade to the four volume set.

God bless!
 
I started off with Shorter Christian Prayer, then a few months later purchased the one-volume Christian Prayer. I was happy with that for awhile but I really wanted to do the Office of Readings so I bought a used set of the 4-volume LOTH on Ebay.

While I know the correct time to pray the Office of Readings is morning, I usually pray it at night before going to bed along with night prayer.

Remember, unless you are in a religious order or are a priest and are required to pray some or all of the LOTH it’s really up to you how much of it you choose to pray.

I will say that the move from the one volume to the four volumes was confusing at first. There is a book with instruction on how to use the four volume set called the Divine Office for Dodos. If you can get past the fact that the author calls everyone dodos (in what she thinks is a funny and cute way) throughout the book, it actually does provide good instruction.

If anyone knows of a different book which provides instructions I would be interested.
 
Anne1964 said:
I will say that the move from the one volume to the four volumes was confusing at first. There is a book with instruction on how to use the four volume set called the Divine Office for Dodos. If you can get past the fact that the author calls everyone dodos (in what she thinks is a funny and cute way) throughout the book, it actually does provide good instruction.

If anyone knows of a different book which provides instructions I would be interested.
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I bought the 4 volume set as a birthday gift for myself (happy birthday to me!) about a month ago. I too, am using the Divine Office for Dodos. It’s very useful, and moves along - I simply ignore the dodo references.

The Saint Joseph Guide for The Liturgy of the Hours instructs individuals on what to read & where it’s found. This coupled with the Dodos book are serving to give good instruction.
 
acadian said:
Now-adays, I have a free App - ibreviaryHD, I think on my iPad, and if I want to pray the LOtH, I just download that particular day.
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Agreed. With iBreviary, you can do so much more, not to mention the environmental benefits.
 
Hi there, I have the Universalis “Registration-Code-email-to-kindle” feature. It cost like 30 dollars, but twice a year, I go to their website and it e-mails to me the complete liturgy of the hours for either Pentecost-to-Advent or Advent-to-Pentecost.

It is a wonderful format in the e-book, sorting every day out for you, with clickable links to each of the day’s prayers. And because you send the e-mail to your device, it can be exactly what you want. If you do the morning, noon and evening prayer, it will send that to you without any extra clutter. if you do morning, evening and night, it will send you that. If you do mid-morning and the readings it will send you just that (although that would be a curious combination).

That being said - it is not an official translation, and it is not word for word what is in the books. The Office of Readings is quite different. It is not ideal at all for a group setting where people will have the books.

But if it’s just me, or me and my wife - it’s wonderful. It’s the best solution for an ereader. Sometimes when I’m flipping pages or trying to find my place in the book I lose the moment or my mind wanders.

It is a go-to prayer book for me and I’m thankful for it.

It will do the same things with mass readings, or the missal for that matter - and these things are certainly correct and current.

Sorry for rehashing old stuff, but every few months I search to find out if the actual text of the Breviary is out there for e-readers, and came upon this thread today.
 
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