The Lord's Prayer: Update?

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If you diverse from written prayer you are changing tradition.

If you add to it or take away you are changing tradition now if you do this on your own private praayer life maybe not so.

Sometimes I write my own prayers and read them over.

Maybe we are not in agreement on what is the box?

The Lord’s Prayer ( the Our Father) doesn’t really need an uupdate just as the national anthem etc.
But their are always new renditions as I have read so much into the history of music and the original song Silent Night is so different the one now that has been around and older people have told me how things were changed even when they young.

But our traditions have been the same in the RCC within in limits so it must remain so on certain prayers.

Dessert
Thank you. We are not playing around with tradition here. We cannot do that, especially when it is at the core of our belief and ritual.

But there is nothing wrong about thinking what it truly means for us - and for Christ - in the year 2007. What does the Lord;s Prayer say to you when you pray it?
 
Did you write this?

Like I said before it is very poetic and nice and I you aware that the I believe creed we say as a profession of faith was changed but not really changed but lengthened to the Longgggggg We bellieve creed so please don’t send your prayer into the vatican because yours is long too. 😊 The mass is long enough as it is these days.👍
dessert
Yes I wrote the version in blue. I thought about it every day so I wanted to share it with the Forum.

I have absolutely no intention to share it with the Vatican or anyone else in the Church! That would be wrong, if I were to suggest that this be considered! Lots of people have the same idea.

But all I wanted to do was to see what we mean when we say the words!

Love
 
🙂 When we say give us this day our daily bread I think of the Eucharist as God is feeding our soul everytime we receive Him in the name of Jesus Christ so I am glad to pray the Our Father at the mass.
Dessert
 
The word heaven is mentioned twice and it is His will that it be on earth as it is in heaven. I think God wills us to be in heaven and getting there. And he wills us to be sitting at the table with him on earth and in heaven and never leaving Him out or excluding Him.
Dessert
 
🙂 When we say give us this day our daily bread I think of the Eucharist as God is feeding our soul everytime we receive Him in the name of Jesus Christ so I am glad to pray the Our Father at the mass.
Dessert
Thanks. I did not finish working on the whole prayer and certainly would have got to the part about the bread and being fed. I think it is not just me that needs feeding, but those around us also. 98per cent of the world’s population do not have enough food, their children die, and most have only one poor meal a day. I think we need to be aware of that.

Are you? If you are aware of the meaning of ‘give us this day our daily bread’ then why not give it a try - making a new line that makes it clearer that we mean not just ourselves, but others as well. That is our responsibility as Christians, no?

Love
 
The word heaven is mentioned twice and it is His will that it be on earth as it is in heaven. I think God wills us to be in heaven and getting there. And he wills us to be sitting at the table with him on earth and in heaven and never leaving Him out or excluding Him.
Dessert
What do we mean when we use the word heaven? I have heard many people describe it in different ways. When you say the word ‘heaven’, what do you mean? Is it a place? Is purgatory and hell also a place? What is ‘heaven’. Is there an actual wooden or metal table there?

Love
 
Thanks. I did not finish working on the whole prayer and certainly would have got to the part about the bread and being fed. I think it is not just me that needs feeding, but those around us also. 98per cent of the world’s population do not have enough food, their children die, and most have only one poor meal a day. I think we need to be aware of that.

Are you? If you are aware of the meaning of ‘give us this day our daily bread’ then why not give it a try - making a new line that makes it clearer that we mean not just ourselves, but others as well. That is our responsibility as Christians, no?

Love
I have a friend that went to Haiti and helped in a hospital.
They have nothing there, she went last Jan I thought she was going back in august but she is returning in next Jan.
They do not give their babies any food.
Don’t they accept aide from other countries?
They are just below Florida part of th Dominican republic.
They don’t believe in BC so they drop their babies off at the hospital and so many die.
She is sponsering one child and this one gets many luxeries but why can’t it be divided and how can one child be singled out so much as the otheres die, I don’t think this is quite fair.
We throw so much food away in this country what a waste.
she said she thought they had maybe a thousand babies in this hospital because everyday they would find anywhere from 5 to 10 babies outside the hospital doors.
She got to meet her child and he is actually a tall young man about 14.
I think there is something wrong in this government that it does not provide assistance or accept help from other governments.
Too much politics as far as I am concerned.

Jesus said as we are to help another even one by one as he did emphasize in the garden watch and pray togther but He had a hard time getting them to stay awake so I suppose we are I am sleeping in this matter. which I believe Jesus meant more than just physical sleeping.
Dessert
 
I have a friend that went to Haiti and helped in a hospital…They do not give their babies any food.
This is true not only in Haiti, but in many countries in South America, in India and China, Thailand, Cambodia, Viet Nam, and most African countries. I have seen these babies, and held them - abandonded at the hospital - as they died. No drugs for them. Not enough food at home even though many mothers try very hard.
Don’t they accept aide from other countries?
Yes, they do, but they cannot pay for everything they need, and sometimes tanks and airplanes are more important than babies. Or the money just ‘disappears’ if government is corrupt. Or the country is just bankrupt. And sometimes the aid workers don’t have good enough ideas about how to help: I know because I have been one for some years. For babies, a development worker has to teach a lot to people about how to care for the babies, how and what to feed them, where to get emergency food etc. It is hard to plan such programmes, and people do not change the way they behave very easily.
They don’t believe in BC so they drop their babies off at the hospital and so many die.
This is one of my problems with the Catholic Church, and we discussed on another thread on HIV: BC is not allowed by the Church, but so many mothers and babies die because there are too many for one poor family which cannot feed, educate and keep them healthy. Abstinence is often not a cultural choice for women in these societies. Husbands insist on their rights.
She is sponsering one child and this one gets many luxeries.
We do the same. We cannot say, well why help one. Have you heard the starfish story? A little boy was walking along a beach where many starfish were dying - they had been thrown onto the beach by a huge wave in a storm. So he started throwing the starfish back into the sea. A man came along and watched him, and finally said ’ Boy, why are you doing that? You know that you can’t make any difference when there are thousands and thousands of starfish on this beach, and you are only a small boy.’ The little boy looked and him, and then picked up a starfish, and threw it back into the ocean. And then he said to the man ‘I made a difference to that starfish’. He picked up another one, and threw it back into the sea and looked at the man. ‘It made a difference to that starfish’, he said. And so we often talk about the starfish story: we cannot help all but we can help some.

One young man from Malawi whose father died while he was writing final secondary examinations in Malawi, wrote to me (I only knew the father and not the boy), asking if I could help him with further studies. After about 6 months, I wrote back and said yes, I am not sure why. He went to college, got a teaching degree, met a wonderful volunteer from Oklahoma, married her, and last week they had their first baby in Okla City. They will get further education and then come back to Malawi (a neighbour of South Africa where I live) to help build education systems in Malawi.

We have ‘children’ in South Africa, Zambia, Malawi, Nepal and although we have to juggle our coins, we watch them becoming people who might make a difference in the world. Yes, it takes them away from their own culture in some ways, but it also gives them a chance to build that culture, if they are educated and alive!
We throw so much food away in this country what a waste.
In Thailand hospital, there are two rooms for abandoned babies - 100s of them. One room will get drugs and food and the other room will only get some food and will die.
I think there is something wrong in this government that it does not provide assistance or accept help from other governments.Too much politics.
Yes, in the poor countries, and in the rich. The rich leaders met last week, but are giving only a small amount of what they can afford to help, and even then are very slow to pay out, so that many children die while waiting.
Jesus said we are to help another but He had a hard time getting them to stay awake so I suppose we/I am sleeping in this matter, which I believe Jesus meant more than just physical sleeping.
I think this is a wonderful observation: that He meant not just physical but also spiritual sleeping. Taize has a great chant ‘Watch and pray’ which I love listening to, and I shall remember your idea!

But I think you are not sleeping. Why not volunteer somewhere out in the world? I did forty years ago, and I am still away from Canada, working and doing my thing, and have loved every moment of learning the world, learning the needs, and learning the real meaning of what Christ taught us.

Love ever,
 
This is true not only in Haiti, but in many countries in South America, in India and China, Thailand, Cambodia, Viet Nam, and most African countries. I have seen these babies, and held them - abandonded at the hospital - as they died. No drugs for them. Not enough food at home even though many mothers try very hard.
**I hadn’t gotten back to thread as it is obvious.😊 **
I’m sorry that has happened as my friend graace said this that the first time was really hard to see the baby die in my arms.

Yes, they do, but they cannot pay for everything they need, and sometimes tanks and airplanes are more important than babies. Or the money just ‘disappears’ if government is corrupt. Or the country is just bankrupt. And sometimes the aid workers don’t have good enough ideas about how to help: I know because I have been one for some years. For babies, a development worker has to teach a lot to people about how to care for the babies, how and what to feed them, where to get emergency food etc. It is hard to plan such programmes, and people do not change the way they behave very easily.

**My friend Grace says that is why the hospital has been established the group is called “Meidical Missions for Haiti”**but it does not yet have a site she said.

This is one of my problems with the Catholic Church, and we discussed on another thread on HIV: BC is not allowed by the Church, but so many mothers and babies die because there are too many for one poor family which cannot feed, educate and keep them healthy. Abstinence is often not a cultural choice for women in these societies. Husbands insist on their rights.

Grace and I have discussed this as she is christian church I am catholic. But the Dominican Republic is very modernized. It even has a Walmart

We do the same. We cannot say, well why help one. Have you heard the starfish story? A little boy was walking along a beach where many starfish were dying - they had been thrown onto the beach by a huge wave in a storm. So he started throwing the starfish back into the sea. A man came along and watched him, and finally said ’ Boy, why are you doing that? You know that you can’t make any difference when there are thousands and thousands of starfish on this beach, and you are only a small boy.’ The little boy looked and him, and then picked up a starfish, and threw it back into the ocean. And then he said to the man ‘I made a difference to that starfish’. He picked up another one, and threw it back into the sea and looked at the man. ‘It made a difference to that starfish’, he said. And so we often talk about the starfish story: we cannot help all but we can help some.
This what she feels and I but we must not abort any either as that is as bad and I’m not sure bc would haelp aids. She sends money to one child where I think it should be more distributed evenly. the little children at the orphanage each have one dress to wear all week and must not grapple in the dirt to keep it clean a way to get them not to go naked and to not play in the mud like an animal.

One young man from Malawi whose father died while he was writing final secondary examinations in Malawi, wrote to me (I only knew the father and not the boy), asking if I could help him with further studies. After about 6 months, I wrote back and said yes, I am not sure why. He went to college, got a teaching degree, met a wonderful volunteer from Oklahoma, married her, and last week they had their first baby in Okla City. They will get further education and then come back to Malawi (a neighbour of South Africa where I live) to help build education systems in Malawi.

Yes she met the young man and he could not speak english so she said she would pay an extra 10 a month to get him a tutor for learning english, boy what we take for granted.

We have ‘children’ in South Africa, Zambia, Malawi, Nepal and although we have to juggle our coins, we watch them becoming people who might make a difference in the world. Yes, it takes them away from their own culture in some ways, but it also gives them a chance to build that culture, if they are educated and alive!

In Thailand hospital, there are two rooms for abandoned babies - 100s of them. One room will get drugs and food and the other room will only get some food and will die.WOW

I think this is a wonderful observation: that He meant not just physical but also spiritual sleeping. Taize has a great chant ‘Watch and pray’ which I love listening to, and I shall remember your idea!

But I think you are not sleeping. Why not volunteer somewhere out in the world? I did forty years ago, and I am still away from Canada, working and doing my thing, and have loved every moment of learning the world, learning the needs, and learning the real meaning of what Christ taught us.

Love ever,
Dessert
 
What do we mean when we use the word heaven? I have heard many people describe it in different ways. When you say the word ‘heaven’, what do you mean? Is it a place? Is purgatory and hell also a place? What is ‘heaven’. Is there an actual wooden or metal table there?

Love
I am going to work on just that writing the prayer and I have written a couple otheres I will put up for you . 👍

Heaven is peace. There is no crying or hunger.
Dessert
 
for the last 10 years or so we in auckland new zealand pray the our father this way.
Our Father who art in heaven
hallowed be thy name
thy kingdom come ,thy will be done on earth as in heaven
give us today our daily bread,and forgive us our sins,
as we forgive those who sin against us,
save us from the time of trial,and deliver us from evil. Amen
 
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