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Ngurai
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I am a catholic. I find the Lord’s prayer so complete and I am satisfied with the importance our church attaches to the prayer. Why do Protestants say this prayer less oftenly as opposed to catholics.
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Steadfast
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We Lutherans say it every week during the service and I say it every evening with my children.
Presbyterians also say it during the liturgy, as do Episcopalians and Methodists. These also believe it to be the perfect blueprint for prayer.
What Protestants are you talking about?
Presbyterians also say it during the liturgy, as do Episcopalians and Methodists. These also believe it to be the perfect blueprint for prayer.
What Protestants are you talking about?
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SIA
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I’m wondering that same thing myself.
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cat3gs
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I believe what the protestants the op is referring to are the bible churches, not the established ones that have been around a long time. There seems to be a bit of a difference in the Methodists, Episcopals, Lutherans(of which I was one at one time), Presbyterians etc.
It is my understanding that the bible churches dont like the “vain repitition” of the prayer. Of course this is a blanket statement and not to imply that ALL bible churches(or its individual members) feel this way.
Hope that explains things a little
Ahhh…a little is all I have to give
JMJ
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puzzleannie
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don’t know that they do, in my experience any denomination of Protestants I know of say it as often as Catholics. do you have some data I don’t know about? Even in situations where spontaneous spoken prayer is encouraged they almost always close with the Lord’s prayer.
The importance attached to the prayer by Catholics is attested to by the fact that commentary on it forms last of 4 parts of the Catechism. It is part of the Mass and LOTH, so it will be said at least 4-5 times by someone who prays both daily, and of course 6 times in each rosary.
btw in any apologetics discussion it comes off as a very left handed way of posing an argument by phrasing a question as OP has, the “how often do you beat your wife type”, which as part of the question states a premise which can amount to an accusation w/o proof. I don’t think OP means it this way, but the question might be better posed as “What importance do Protestants (state a denomination, there is too much variety to use this general term) place upon the Our Father?”
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Reuben_J
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The Protestants that I mix with in fellowship do not say this prayer at all in their worship and prayers.
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Steadfast
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I am sure you’re right, but as is so often the case here, it would be nice if the writer of the OP would have said that instead of blanketing all Protestants with the error of a few.I believe what the protestants the op is referring to are the bible churches, not the established ones that have been around a long time. There seems to be a bit of a difference in the Methodists, Episcopals, Lutherans(of which I was one at one time), Presbyterians etc.
It is my understanding that the bible churches dont like the “vain repitition” of the prayer. Of course this is a blanket statement and not to imply that ALL bible churches(or its individual members) feel this way.
Hope that explains things a little
JMJ
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COPLAND_3
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I come from a Southern Baptist background and we never seemed to have placed much emphasis upon it, especially since they put lots of emphasis upon praying whatever comes to mind. They view it as simply just as a model of how to pray, not necessarily a prayer to pray.
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joseph_virgen
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just as a side not, the Lord’s Prayer is actually a familiar Jewish prayer. i write that because somewhere along the lines we, catholics, sometimes forget that Jesus was a rabi.
even st paul was a rabi. the fact that non jews soon outnumbered the the original jews of the early Faith, does not take away from their contribution.
even st paul was a rabi. the fact that non jews soon outnumbered the the original jews of the early Faith, does not take away from their contribution.
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love4mary
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I asked a couple of missionaries from the local Independent Baptist Church if they recited the Our Father (Lords Prayer) and they said NO.
It was repetitious first of all they said. Then they pointed out that the Lord said to pray LIKE THIS, not that this was the prayer we Had to pray. What this church did was to pray spontaneous prayers based upon what the Lords Pray said. According to this church, ONLY Jesus could pray the Lords Prayer:shrug:
It was repetitious first of all they said. Then they pointed out that the Lord said to pray LIKE THIS, not that this was the prayer we Had to pray. What this church did was to pray spontaneous prayers based upon what the Lords Pray said. According to this church, ONLY Jesus could pray the Lords Prayer:shrug:
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SIA
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Well put. I kind of thought that but wasn’t certain. We say it during Eucharistic Prayer every Sunday always including the Doxology.I believe what the protestants the op is referring to are the bible churches, not the established ones that have been around a long time. There seems to be a bit of a difference in the Methodists, Episcopals, Lutherans(of which I was one at one time), Presbyterians etc.
It is my understanding that the bible churches dont like the “vain repitition” of the prayer. Of course this is a blanket statement and not to imply that ALL bible churches(or its individual members) feel this way.
Hope that explains things a little
JMJ
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bpbasilphx
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**It is my understanding that the bible churches dont like the “vain repitition” of the prayer. **
**I went to one such church that sang “Have a Little Talk with Jesus” 17 times sitting down and 26 times (then I lost count) standing up.
But, of course, Catholics use vain repetitions.**
**I went to one such church that sang “Have a Little Talk with Jesus” 17 times sitting down and 26 times (then I lost count) standing up.
But, of course, Catholics use vain repetitions.**
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Singinbeauty
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At one point I was very stressed about a few things in my life. I couldn’t sleep and nothing worked. So, through some quiet prodding from God (I believe) the Lord’s Prayer popped up on my head and I just started saying it over and over from memory no less so you know protestants do say it! and it comforted me so much I fell into a great and wonderful sleep.
One thing that I do want to point out is this. Christ doesn’t say Pray this prayer, He said “This is HOW you should pray” meaning to use this as a guide of how you should pray (from Matthew 6):
9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.[a]’ 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
One thing that I do want to point out is this. Christ doesn’t say Pray this prayer, He said “This is HOW you should pray” meaning to use this as a guide of how you should pray (from Matthew 6):
9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.[a]’ 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
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avenger
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That’s a pretty big assumption, isnt it?
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universalist
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Many of the early christians prayed it three times a day;morning,noon,and night,I do as well,although I like to add my own personal touches here and there line by line,C.S.Lewis called this festooning I believe.
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spoiltvictorian
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Yes, many Evangelical protestants never pray the Lord’s prayer. I know many reformed baptists, for example, and they refuse to pray it and don’t teach it to their children except as an arbitrary passage for Bible memory’s sake.
They do not pray it because they think that to do anything ‘mindlessly’ is a sign of spiritual deadless. I think that is because Calvinism confuses holiness with knowledge, and sees habitual prayers as something for ignorant people.
They do not pray it because they think that to do anything ‘mindlessly’ is a sign of spiritual deadless. I think that is because Calvinism confuses holiness with knowledge, and sees habitual prayers as something for ignorant people.
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CSJ
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As a former evangelical, we were taught (either explicitely or implicitely) that the Lord’s Prayer was simply a “model” to follow - kind of like a template. There was a fear that using the exact words would lead to “vain repetitions” and that the prayer would be less heartfelt. Ironically, I have heard some long winded free-form prayers that “sounded” equally repetitous.
Nonetheless, it is more gracious to give the benefit of the doubt as only God knows the intent of the heart. It is good enough that the person is at least praying.
Our entire lives should be lived as a prayer and an act of worship in both the routine (liturgical) and spontaneous (free form). This is both honoring and pleasing to God.
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Nonetheless, it is more gracious to give the benefit of the doubt as only God knows the intent of the heart. It is good enough that the person is at least praying.
Our entire lives should be lived as a prayer and an act of worship in both the routine (liturgical) and spontaneous (free form). This is both honoring and pleasing to God.
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shushawnna
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As one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I can find common ground with the Lord’s Prayer. However, I would say 99.99% people I come in contact with going from door to door have no idea what the prayer means. Maybe that’s why many dont pray it.
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