The Lord's Prayer

[Mickey]

Epiousios is translated as “supersubstantial” or as something having to do with the very essence of things rather than their tangible nature, or as “supernatural”. It has been proposed that "ho artos hemon ho epiousios", (our daily bread), was used as a name for the Eucharist by the earliest Christians, even before the Gospel accounts of Jesus’s life were written. This would indicate that the Gospel authors used epiousios with a specific meaning in mind: “our eucharistic bread”.

Any further comments on this?

 

[Richard_Hurtz]

Epiousios is translated as “supersubstantial” or as something having to do with the very essence of things rather than their tangible nature, or as “supernatural”. It has been proposed that "ho artos hemon ho epiousios", (our daily bread), was used as a name for the Eucharist by the earliest Christians, even before the Gospel accounts of Jesus’s life were written. This would indicate that the Gospel authors used epiousios with a specific meaning in mind: “our eucharistic bread”.

Any further comments on this?

Do you have a source for this?

Blessings,
Richard

 

[Mickey]

Richard_Hurtz:

Do you have a source for this?

The Orthodox Study Bible.

 

[BlackKnight]

The Douay Rheims Bible:
** Matthew 6:11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread.**

One priest told me that te passage is almost untranslatable and that is why the translator used this word because the original implies something that we absolutely cannot live without every day. Hence…“daily”

 

[Angainor]

Mickey:

This would indicate that the Gospel authors used epiousios with a specific meaning in mind: “our eucharistic bread”.

Any further comments on this?

Are you saying the Gospel authors chose the word and did not quote Jesus directly?

 

[Maranatha]

Angainor:

Are you saying the Gospel authors chose the word and did not quote Jesus directly?

Jesus was with the Apostles for weeks after the resurrection. If very likely the topic of the Eucharist (without that word being used) came up.

 

[RobNY]

Angainor:

Are you saying the Gospel authors chose the word and did not quote Jesus directly?

Jesus did not speak in Greek. He spoke in Aramaic. Of course the Gospel authors had to choose the Greek words for the Lord’s Prayer, as the Lord would not have spoken them. This is a case of both/and… they could have quoted Jesus directly and chosen the word (which they would have done, thankfully, under inspiration).

Of course, the other item for discussion on whether they quoted Jesus directly would be the two different versions of the Lord’s Prayer in two gospels. But I don’t want to get onto that subject.

God bless you Angainor, good to talk with you again.

-Rob

 

[THutch04]

BlackKnight:

The Douay Rheims Bible:
** Matthew 6:11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread.**

One priest told me that te passage is almost untranslatable and that is why the translator used this word because the original implies something that we absolutely cannot live without every day. Hence…“daily”

This is what I heard from a priest as well.

 

[Mickey]

Angainor:

Are you saying the Gospel authors chose the word and did not quote Jesus directly?

No. I’m saying that it seems like the Greek was not translated to English as accurately as it could have been.