The Main Reason I believe in God

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lisaandlena said:
And yet they’re doomed to spend eternity in hell, not because of the character of their actions, but simply because what was apparent to you, wasn’t apparent to them.
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Is that what the Catholic church teaches? Another straw-man?
 
Maybe you should make an honest attempt to learn what the Catholic church teaches first, and then we can debate scripture.
 
I tell you what, start a new thread with your qeustion and i might have time to chime in.

But as of now, you are not honest enough to actually learn what it is you are trying to refute. You are either speaking from a position of ignorance about Catholic teaching or you are purposely lying.

If you are so blind that you cannot see that raping babies is truly wrong, is truly evil, then that’s your problem, not mine.
 
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Is it wrong to kill all the firstborn males of Egypt? Yes or no.
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You know it’s truly wrong to rape babies that’s why you will not answer the qeustion.

As for the moral character of God’s actions in the bible that’s a topic for another thread. Feel free to make one if you feel confident that you know what you are talking about.

I will not answer it here.
 
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lisaandlena said:
You seem to be confused about what constitutes an evil act and what doesn’t. To you raping babies is evil, but killing them is perfectly okay.

Do you see the problem with that position?
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Raping babies is either wrong or it’s not. If you think that your position is entirely rational and reflects reality you would have just said no, there is nothing wrong with it. But that is not true is it. It just depends on whether or not you are honest enough to admit it.

And killing babies is just as evil.

If you want to discuss whether or not the actions of God as depicted in the bible is morally consistent with his good character, that is another subject matter, and i told you i will not answer that qeustion here because it is not relevant to the qeustion of whether or not we experience evil in reality, it is only relevant to the moral consistency of the bible and how God is depicted in scripture You may or may not have a point, but it is irrelevant to this topic…It’s just an excuse you are using to ignore reality.
 
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lisaandlena said:
I can understand you’re wanting to avoid this question, because it undermines your position.
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It realy doesn’t, becuase i know that evil has truly happened regardless of whether or not you are honest enough to admit that it’s wrong to rape babies or not…

What your argument might do is undermine the moral character of God as depicted in the bible. And if you succeeded in showing that to be true, all that would really mean is that how God is depicted in some parts of scripture is not how God really is in the real world, or that the author didn’t intend it to be taken in that sense or be taken literally or was being hyperbolic.

Feel free to start a new thread, i would argue that you are operating under a faulty understanding of what it means for people or God to do evil.
 
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I already answered that question. Why won’t you answer the question?
 
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lisaandlena said:
Congratulations, you’ve recognized what’s so troubling about maintaining that one comes to a belief in the validity of Catholicism through a reasoned evaluation of its supporting documentation. Others, equally rational and equally sincere may come to a completely different conclusion.
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And, all that means is that at least one is objectively wrong.
And yet they’re doomed to spend eternity in hell, not because of the character of their actions, but simply because what was apparent to you, wasn’t apparent to them.
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No. By asserting this, you are revealing your lack of understanding of Catholic doctrine. Now, don’t get me wrong: there are Protestant denominations who do believe what you’ve just asserted. However, the Catholic Church doesn’t assert this. So, I’m not going to argue for a point that non-Catholics make, when Catholics make the opposite argument.

In fact, here’s what the Church teaches: a person who does not know, and is not reasonably expected to have known, the truths of the faith, can nevertheless attain to heaven. The technical term is ‘invincible ignorance’ – in other words, a lack of knowledge that is not held against a person.

So, it is not the case that a person of good will, who in good faith does not come to an understanding and belief in God, is necessarily condemned for that lack of faith.

Now that we’ve disposed of that red herring, perhaps the discussion can continue… 😉
 
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