The mark of the beast -- does that make two unforgivable sins?

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What the title says. Is there some sort of relationship between the blasphemy of the HS and accepting the mark of the beast, or was blasphemy of the HS the only unforgivable Jesus mentioned simply because the other couldn’t be committed at the time?
 
I think the mark of the beast might fall under the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit… because the mark of the beast means following the unholy spirit… an evil version of the sacrament of confirmation…
 
Is there any authoritative agreement as to just what the mark consists of or looks like and how one might accept it? :confused:
 
I would tend to agree that the mark of the beast and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit/Apostasy would be the same thing.

I would expect that the mark will be quite deceptive. People will take it because it will seem to them to be the right thing to do. It will not be easy to identify the beast either since why would any professed Christian follow him if he is that easy to identify?
 
One reasonable theory is that it is the mark of a slave (on the forehead) or a Roman legionary (on the hand.)

Much of the east was virtually depopulated, and the Romans settled discharged soldiers there. Freedmen (manumitted slaves) were also sent there to manage their former masters’ business. These people were Roman citizens (as most other were not) and had special rights and powers.
 
I would think that it concerns the interior person.

In my opinion, the mark is on the interior person.

John is seeing things in the spirit, just like Moses did.

If one is looking for cause and effect, perhaps the mark is a result of the sin that cannot be forgiven.

Obviously, I have only shared a personal opinion. I surely do not know.
 
Does anyone have “The Lamb’s Supper”? If you do could you explain what Hahn says about the mark of the beast in the book?

I say this because according to Hahn and some of the ECF (particularly St. Augustine I think) that Revelations was to an extent already fulfilled when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.
 
so there is an unforgivable sin? And thats not accepting the holy spirit?

I forgot, I know it’s in the bible but what verse is it?
 
MH84 said:
Does anyone have “The Lamb’s Supper”? If you do could you explain what Hahn says about the mark of the beast in the book?

I say this because according to Hahn and some of the ECF (particularly St. Augustine I think) that Revelations was to an extent already fulfilled when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.
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***Hi, MH!

I’ve not read the book–I’m a poor reader…

…as far as the anti-Christ… John spoke on this issue in his epistles:

Children, this is the final hour;
you have heard
that the Antichrist is coming,
and now many Antichrists
have already come;
from this we know
that it is the final hour.
They have gone from among us,
but they never really belonged to us;
if the had belonged to us,
they would have stayed with us.
But this was to prove
that not one of them belonged to us. (1 St. John 2:18-19)

Who is the liar,
if not the one who claims
that Jesus is not the Christ?
This is the Antichrist,
who dinies both the Father and the Son.
Who ever denies the Son
cannot have the Father either;
whoever acknowledges the Son
has the Father too. (1 St. John 2:22-23)

This is the proof of the spirit of God:
any spirit
which acknowledges Jesus Christ,
come in human nature,
is from God;
it is the spirit of Antichrist,
whose coming you have heard of;
he is already at large in the world. (St. John 4:2-3)

There are many deceivers at large in the world, refusing to acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in human nature. They are the Deceiver; they are the Antichrist. (St. John 2:7)

From these passages it is surmised that Satan is not the only anti-Christ; everyone who rejects Jesus is the anti-Christ.

Maran atha!

Angel ***
 
Inyourwasha said:
so there is an unforgivable sin? And thats not accepting the holy spirit?

I forgot, I know it’s in the bible but what verse is it?
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***Hi, In!

From my personal understanding, the reason why this sin is unforgivable is because Salvation depends upon accepting Jesus; but Jesus tells the people that only those who are sent by the Father can come to Him (St. John 6:65). Since Yahweh, through the Holy Spirit, reveals Himself to us, we can only come to Jesus (accept His Gift of Resurrection and Life) by accepting the guidance of the Holy Spirit: i.e.: If man rejects (blasphemes) the Holy Spirit he cannot reach Jesus: the Resurrection and Life; the only Way to the Father! (1 Corinthians 12:3)

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
jcrichton said:
***Hi, In!

From my personal understanding, the reason why this sin is unforgivable is because Salvation depends upon accepting Jesus; but Jesus tells the people that only those who are sent by the Father can come to Him (St. John 6:65). Since Yahweh, through the Holy Spirit, reveals Himself to us, we can only come to Jesus (accept His Gift of Resurrection and Life) by accepting the guidance of the Holy Spirit: i.e.: If man rejects (blasphemes) the Holy Spirit he cannot reach Jesus: the Resurrection and Life; the only Way to the Father! (1 Corinthians 12:3)

Maran atha!

Angel***
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I see! ^^ thank you!
 
I agree with Jim Baur, it is about an interior disposition.

However, about being unforgivable, I don’t think that is intended to be fully literal. It is not possible, in general Catholic teaching, for someone to commit an unforgivable sin prior to death as an individual. For JPII, the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is really FINAL impenitence.

The imagery of the “will never be forgiven language” would seem to correspond more with man HISTORICALLY at the very end of human history, when humanity shall reject God fully and utterly while nevertheless having fully tasted of his truth and grace in the preceeding age of the fullness of the Gentiles.

Remember, Jesus told Faustina that the angels were not forgiven because they “knew so much.” Presumably, the demons understood everything the Church will know when her doctrinal development is complete. They knew the whole plan of the ages of salvation, and with all that, they told God to go screw himself. Hence, the CCC says their rejection of God was SO radical and depraved and complete, that it rendered their sin unforgivable.

In a similar vein, when, after the fullness of the Gentiles, the world turns away from God radically, they will be like the demons, having fully understood everything that can be known about God and tasted his graces historically, but still, like the demons, radically and irrevocably insulting God in their apostasy.

Hence, the text of the apocalypse is expressing a GENERAL condition of the apostates in the end of the world, that, in GENERAL, virtually none of them shall be capable of repentance, seeing as their hearts shall be totally hardened to the Divine Love, but admitting that there could be minor exceptions.

Kind of like “all have sinned”, but there are implied exceptions (mentally retarded, children below reason, Mary).
 
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