The Mark of the Beast

[sambos671]

**Sambos, I recommend you my thread “The Alleged Sons of God.” You will understand pretty well that in the case of Jesus if he was, like thousands of other children, the result of a rape, he could be, as he was, a religious Jew. “Orthodox” is not a word of the First Century. Therefore, the choice you submit me to, between virgin birth or incarnation has been neutralized. You will also understand why Mary could not be put to death, as none of the other mothers was. Special deliberation from the Sanhedrin.

Oh yes, with all my sincerity, and to save Joseph and Mary from Agnostic smearing, I defend that Jesus was a legitimate descendant of David by being a biological son of Joseph’s. But as I have said before, I don’t blame the Agnostics for their irreverence. I blame Christians for their intransigence**

Of Course Christians are not flexible on this point of discussion! What would you say if I said the Jews are non comprimising about their God being the only God? What would you think if I said Moses did really say the Shema Yisrael? What if I told you that Moses actually didn’t say 80% of the things the Torah say he did? What if I told you that what Moses said and did was modified by Joshua? What if I said that Moses taugh the uneducated hebrew slaves many things the Egyptians actually taught?. What if I said many of the things that he makes into law was stolen from the Egyptian priesthood? That many rituals were taken from the Egyptian Mott? Or that the angelic creatures covering the Ark of the Covenant wasn’t the seraphim but the goddess seraph and her reflection? That Joshua not having been given the education Moses was had to modify what moses taught in Torah to give an importance to the Hebrews didn’t really possess? Would you be flexible about that? I doubt it.

You seem to bypass Lewis view that Jesus could only be as claimed God, or he would have to be a lunitic or liar by saying that the NT itself was a lie. But the question remains. If Jesus were as you said, Just a religious Jew and Paul made up the rest why would their be followers of his after his death proclaiming his life? If Paul is soley responsible for “replacement theology”, which I think it grinds you that gentiles claim to be equally God’s chosen, then why did Peter initiate inclusion of Gentiles? Why did Luke who did not “hang out” with Paul indicate this same theology. In those days they did not have telephones and could not get to places quickly. So when you see the same teaching being spread by all the apostles simultaniously then you have to note that it was what is originally taught. There would have obvously been a Pauline school distinguised apart from a James school or a Peter schools as you have with all the types of thought in Judaism. But thats not what you see. You see a united front.

 

[Lapell]

Just because of that sentence above in blue, you spoiled all your post with contradictions. Read it again thinking about it.

Well, where is the mistake? The Last Supper was Thursday night, wasn’t it? Then, it was the eve of the 6th day of the week, the night before Friday… where is the mistake here, Ben?

 

[Lapell]

And you can say anything without thinking. No wonder I have been here for such a long time and I don’t get a single reply to any of my questions.

You have dismissed the replies we have been giving you.

 

[Lapell]

**The beast is the Antichrist. And to have the mark of the beast, one must be an anti-Semite. You know anti-Jewish. Why? Because “Christ” means “Anointed.” And according to Habakkuk 3:13, Israel, the Jewish People is the Anointed of the Lord. Therefore, the Christ of God. So, any anti-Jewish is an anti-Semite and therefore one of the antichrists.

You don’t have to appeal to “faithful Catholics out there” because they don’t know. The Scriptures themselves can give you the answer. Whoever is telling you that the Catholic Church is the beast, must be part of the beast themselves and do not know.**

This also applies to the Messiah chosen by God from amidst the Jewish People, the one Messiah whom all the messiahs of the OT (the Kings of Judah) were pointing to. True.

 

[look3467]

The dividing line is with this verse: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.>>>Look3467

And the point you miss is that Jesus spoke as a representative of the People who are God’s representatives on earth. Are you backing up now?>>>Ben

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Direct question to you, is Jesus your way to salvation? If no, then the Jewish people are their own salvation and Jesus just an imposter.

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But if yes, then you have agreed with that verse, as do all Christians.

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Yes, the Jewish people were chosen by God the Father to become His representatives on earth to the world, but did not necessarily mean that salvation was a given.

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Salvation could only come to mankind, Jewish and Gentile, via God’s own doing.
You are aware that God is the only one able to save, therefore, neither Jew nor Gentle regardless of position, could of themselves do nothing to save themselves.

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**Jesus said when asked: **Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Just because one was/is a Jew outwardly did not meet the requirement for salvation, so for you to claim “not lost” is the same as saying, that because you have Abraham as your Father, you are saved.

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When Jesus responded, that God was of these stones able to raise up children unto Abraham indicated that there must be a change in the inner heart, or better said, a circumcision of the heart.

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Again, the dividing line is that verse between Jew and Gentile.

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God made of the two one body, to where now there is neither Jew nor Gentile, but are married and become as one in Jesus Christ.

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I don’t expect you to believe what I said, but I must say it anyway. Who knows, therer might be some out there who could appreciate the sacrifice of Jesus for their souls.

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Blessing’s, AJ

 

[altabz]

**The beast is the Antichrist. And to have the mark of the beast, one must be an anti-Semite. You know anti-Jewish. Why? Because “Christ” means “Anointed.” And according to Habakkuk 3:13, Israel, the Jewish People is the Anointed of the Lord. Therefore, the Christ of God. So, any anti-Jewish is an anti-Semite and therefore one of the antichrists.

You don’t have to appeal to “faithful Catholics out there” because they don’t know. The Scriptures themselves can give you the answer. Whoever is telling you that the Catholic Church is the beast, must be part of the beast themselves and do not know.**

thanks but i think the’re argument is about the location in rome seven hills the pope something like that…???

 

[Ben_Masada]

Of Course Christians are not flexible on this point of discussion! What would you say if I said the Jews are non comprimising about their God being the only God? What would you think if I said Moses did really say the Shema Yisrael? What if I told you that Moses actually didn’t say 80% of the things the Torah say he did? What if I told you that what Moses said and did was modified by Joshua? What if I said that Moses taugh the uneducated hebrew slaves many things the Egyptians actually taught?. What if I said many of the things that he makes into law was stolen from the Egyptian priesthood? That many rituals were taken from the Egyptian Mott? Or that the angelic creatures covering the Ark of the Covenant wasn’t the seraphim but the goddess seraph and her reflection? That Joshua not having been given the education Moses was had to modify what moses taught in Torah to give an importance to the Hebrews didn’t really possess? Would you be flexible about that? I doubt it.

You seem to bypass Lewis view that Jesus could only be as claimed God, or he would have to be a lunitic or liar by saying that the NT itself was a lie.

The point is that Jesus never claimed to be God. It was all claimed for him by Paul and the gospel writers. You know, interpolations. And lunatic, Jesus was never one. Lunatic were those who claim and still do that he was God.

But the question remains. If Jesus were as you said, Just a religious Jew and Paul made up the rest why would their be followers of his after his death proclaiming his life?

Why, being Islam younger than Christianity, has more followers proclaiming that Mohammad was the last Prophet of God? If that’s sign of the Truth, why don’t you convert? That’s the same as your question above.

If Paul is soley responsible for “replacement theology”, which I think it grinds you that gentiles claim to be equally God’s chosen, then why did Peter initiate inclusion of Gentiles?

That’s not what Replacement Theology means. You are describing the joining of Gentiles to the same category of Chosen People WITH not instead of the Jewish People. What Paul means is INSTEAD and not with the Jewish People. Read Galatians 4:21-31.

Why did Luke who did not “hang out” with Paul indicate this same theology.

I am disappointed at you, who know better of Egyptian Mythology than of your own NT. Luke was a disciple of Paul’s, and followed him almost everywhere, even up to his last station in Rome. You might need to review the book of Acts.

In those days they did not have telephones and could not get to places quickly. So when you see the same teaching being spread by all the apostles simultaniously then you have to note that it was what is originally taught.

What you are telling me is that there was no Divine inspiration. No wonder the load of contradictions.

There would have obvously been a Pauline school distinguised apart from a James school or a Peter schools as you have with all the types of thought in Judaism. But thats not what you see. You see a united front.

United front! Would you please be more specific? Whom was Paul united with? If you are thinking of the Nazarenes, they were as antagonistic as enemies could be.

 

[look3467]

Following the theme of God’s creative work through out the bible as a whole, including all the human deficiencies in putting the written word together, is key to having a clear picture of what God’s works are in our behalf.

Mankind with it’s limited abilities to understand develops of it’s own interpretations of what they think and believe God to be and how and in which way He should be worshiped.

Hence, religion becomes a personal issue and one in which divisions arise.

Credit of holding God’s standard to the world is met with disfavor and a people scattered all over the world.

It is a price to pay for holding to that standard unto this very day.

The 7-day week is divided by 2, equaling 3-1/2 years each representing the differences between two periods of time.

The first half is represented as the creation of mankind, the fall, the judgment and the punishment. Is is mainly the time of Israel, the peoples chosen to introduce God to the world.
It is representative of the “old” while the “new” is the of the second set of 3-1/2 years.

Jesus came in the middle of those two, Ref: Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

One week is the key to understanding God’s works, for the number 7 is repeatedly used many times over in the bible.

If, we can come to understand God’s work in those 7 days, we shall understand the condition of our souls.

It is determined upon the Jewish people as quoted above “and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate”, meaning that the Jewish people will come to see Jesus as their Savior.

Blessing’s, AJ

 

[estesbob]

Mark of the Beast? Thats easy:

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[Bob_Crowley]

The Mark of the Beast

Christians, especially Protestants, and among them, the Seventh-Day Adventists in particular, enjoy to talk about the mark of the Beast; and with fantastic definitions, that only make a ridiculous picture of themselves. Then, they charge each other with the potential to get the mark of the Beast. They think of almost everything but the real thing, which is given by the NT itself.

The mark of the Beast appears in conjunction with the Antichrist. Morphologically, the term Antichrist is composed of two words: Anti and Christ. Anti means to stand against
or to contradict. Christ means what Christians believe Jesus was. So, what stands
against Christ is only obvious that it means the Antichrist.

According to Matthew 5:17, Jesus declared that he had not come to abolish the Jewish laws. Then, 30 years later, Paul came and said that what Jesus said was not true, but rather that the Jewish laws were abolished on the cross. (Ephe. 2:15)

As we can see, Paul stood against what Jesus said by contradicting his words about his purpose regarding the Jewish laws. If Jesus was indeed Christ, as Christians believe he was, it’s only obvious that Paul acted as the Antichrist.

Now, where did Paul say the Jewish laws were abolished? On the cross. And what did the cross mean to him? “God forbid,” he said, “that I should glory in anything save in the cross.” The cross meant the glory of Paul. (Gal. 6:14)

Now, we have the mark of the Beast: The cross, a symbol of shame and a curse to the Anointed of the Lord, who, in the words of Habakkuk 3:13, is the People of Israel, the Jewish People.

Now, your comments are welcome.

Ben.

I personally believe the “mark of the beast” will be an implanted chip in either forehead or hand, without which one will not be able to buy or sell. Cash will be outlawed.

We have for example Verichip. From Wikipedia -

“Anyone possessing a VeriChip reader can read the human-implantable RFID microchip; the data is unencrypted, and VeriChip does not have the functionality to authorize only certain people to read it. Being a passive RFID microchip containing only a unique 16-digit identifier it can be read by a VeriChip reader held up closely to the location of the inserted chip. This concern can be partially mitigated by using such a chip without implanting it, as by inserting it into the wristband of a watch, which can then be removed at will.”

Today drones are dropping bombs and firing missiles at Afghan militants controlled by pilots sitting in the USA, and using chips hidden by informers. These are monitored by satellites.

From a Web commentary - “The Pashto locals call the chip ‘pathrai’ which translates to metal device. Tribesmen are said to be planting these chips or electronic devices ‘near farmhouses sheltering al-Qaida and Taliban commanders.’ Guided by these electronic chips, a drone subsequently shoots the target with missiles. In effect, ‘it is a high-tech assassination operation for one of the world’s most remote areas.’”

As far back as 1975 a goup of American lawyers said the best way to monitor a person’s movements without his awareness would be a cashless society, entirely electronic in its transactions. They’d know what you bought, where you bought it, and if the device was implanted into your hand or head, it had to be you. It will probably be coupled with some device which can kill or disable you if necessary. If you’ve been a naughty boy, the state would simply close all you bank accounts and take the money for itself. What would you live on?

The method of enforcement - I think it will be an American politician using nuclear blackmail, protected from outside attack by Star Wars technology, and using a series of worldwide administrators (“ten kings”). I think I know who the Australian “king” will be.

Over the top? I don’t think so. The technology is there already, and with every passing year, becomes more capable and more intrusive.

The motive - nuclear terrorism at some stage, possibly fuelled by an economic collapse.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

I personally believe the “mark of the beast” will be an implanted chip in either forehead or hand, without which one will not be able to buy or sell. Cash will be outlawed.

We have for example Verichip. From Wikipedia -

“Anyone possessing a VeriChip reader can read the human-implantable RFID microchip; the data is unencrypted, and VeriChip does not have the functionality to authorize only certain people to read it. Being a passive RFID microchip containing only a unique 16-digit identifier it can be read by a VeriChip reader held up closely to the location of the inserted chip. This concern can be partially mitigated by using such a chip without implanting it, as by inserting it into the wristband of a watch, which can then be removed at will.”

Today drones are dropping bombs and firing missiles at Afghan militants controlled by pilots sitting in the USA, and using chips hidden by informers. These are monitored by satellites.

From a Web commentary - “The Pashto locals call the chip ‘pathrai’ which translates to metal device. Tribesmen are said to be planting these chips or electronic devices ‘near farmhouses sheltering al-Qaida and Taliban commanders.’ Guided by these electronic chips, a drone subsequently shoots the target with missiles. In effect, ‘it is a high-tech assassination operation for one of the world’s most remote areas.’”

As far back as 1975 a goup of American lawyers said the best way to monitor a person’s movements without his awareness would be a cashless society, entirely electronic in its transactions. They’d know what you bought, where you bought it, and if the device was implanted into your hand or head, it had to be you. It will probably be coupled with some device which can kill or disable you if necessary. If you’ve been a naughty boy, the state would simply close all you bank accounts and take the money for itself. What would you live on?

The method of enforcement - I think it will be an American politician using nuclear blackmail, protected from outside attack by Star Wars technology, and using a series of worldwide administrators (“ten kings”). I think I know who the Australian “king” will be.

Over the top? I don’t think so. The technology is there already, and with every passing year, becomes more capable and more intrusive.

The motive - nuclear terrorism at some stage, possibly fuelled by an economic collapse.

I might add a little more. Way back around 1990/91 I was discussing politics with my old Protestant pastor. We got onto a particular Australian politician, whom I thought was pretty much straight forward. The pastor didn’t think so though. And I might add he wasn’t given much to last days stuff - most of it originates from the US, and his opinion ws that American last days theology was a “bit weird. The Europeans don’t think like that and they’ve had a much longer Christian experience.”

However he commented about this particular politician, “I think the devil’s put him there. I’ve heard a few stories about what he’s like when he can’t get his own way. He’s a spoilt brat, and very vindictive.” I’m left wing, and the pastor was right wing as was the politician in question. I’m pretty sure the pastor had close ties to what we call the National Party, which used to be the Country Party, representing the man on the land. He grew up on a small farm himself, and had been posted to various country towns at times.

He went on, “I think he might be one of the ‘ten kings’. If he is, he’ll be a real little tyrant. About the only thing we’ll have going for us is his age. I think he’ll be in his seventies before all this starts to happen.”

The politician in question turns 70 this year - pretty soon actually. Now at the time we were talking he wasn’t even leader of the opposition. But he’s come a long way since, particularly in the accolades of the US establishment.

So if my old pastor was right, and I used to find he was pretty accurate, the next few years are going to be rather instructive. It seems Mary might have been trying to warn us about something with her appearances at Lourdes, Fatima, and Akita et al. The pastor’s comment on Marian apparitions? “There’s been a lot of them. I think she’s warning us. And I think they’re a judgment on a divided church.”

 

[Ben_Masada]

Following the theme of God’s creative work through out the bible as a whole, including all the human deficiencies in putting the written word together, is key to having a clear picture of what God’s works are in our behalf.

Mankind with it’s limited abilities to understand develops of it’s own interpretations of what they think and believe God to be and how and in which way He should be worshiped.

Hence, religion becomes a personal issue and one in which divisions arise.

Credit of holding God’s standard to the world is met with disfavor and a people scattered all over the world.

It is a price to pay for holding to that standard unto this very day.

The 7-day week is divided by 2, equaling 3-1/2 years each representing the differences between two periods of time.

The first half is represented as the creation of mankind, the fall, the judgment and the punishment. Is is mainly the time of Israel, the peoples chosen to introduce God to the world.
It is representative of the “old” while the “new” is the of the second set of 3-1/2 years.

Jesus came in the middle of those two, Ref: Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

One week is the key to understanding God’s works, for the number 7 is repeatedly used many times over in the bible.

If, we can come to understand God’s work in those 7 days, we shall understand the condition of our souls.

It is determined upon the Jewish people as quoted above “and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate”, meaning that the Jewish people will come to see Jesus as their Savior.

Blessing’s, AJ

I recommend you to read my thread about the 70 week/years of Daniel 9:24-27. That’s the Jewish interpretation to that Jewish prophecy. You will see that it does not have anything to do with Jesus whatsoever.

 

[Ben_Masada]

I personally believe the “mark of the beast” will be an implanted chip in either forehead or hand, without which one will not be able to buy or sell. Cash will be outlawed.

We have for example Verichip. From Wikipedia -

“Anyone possessing a VeriChip reader can read the human-implantable RFID microchip; the data is unencrypted, and VeriChip does not have the functionality to authorize only certain people to read it. Being a passive RFID microchip containing only a unique 16-digit identifier it can be read by a VeriChip reader held up closely to the location of the inserted chip. This concern can be partially mitigated by using such a chip without implanting it, as by inserting it into the wristband of a watch, which can then be removed at will.”

Today drones are dropping bombs and firing missiles at Afghan militants controlled by pilots sitting in the USA, and using chips hidden by informers. These are monitored by satellites.

From a Web commentary - “The Pashto locals call the chip ‘pathrai’ which translates to metal device. Tribesmen are said to be planting these chips or electronic devices ‘near farmhouses sheltering al-Qaida and Taliban commanders.’ Guided by these electronic chips, a drone subsequently shoots the target with missiles. In effect, ‘it is a high-tech assassination operation for one of the world’s most remote areas.’”

As far back as 1975 a goup of American lawyers said the best way to monitor a person’s movements without his awareness would be a cashless society, entirely electronic in its transactions. They’d know what you bought, where you bought it, and if the device was implanted into your hand or head, it had to be you. It will probably be coupled with some device which can kill or disable you if necessary. If you’ve been a naughty boy, the state would simply close all you bank accounts and take the money for itself. What would you live on?

The method of enforcement - I think it will be an American politician using nuclear blackmail, protected from outside attack by Star Wars technology, and using a series of worldwide administrators (“ten kings”). I think I know who the Australian “king” will be.

Over the top? I don’t think so. The technology is there already, and with every passing year, becomes more capable and more intrusive.

The motive - nuclear terrorism at some stage, possibly fuelled by an economic collapse.

**Too fantastic to be practical. If this will be the work of the Antichrist, what was the work of Christ? Then, what Christ are we talking about, the Christ of the past or the Christ of the future? **

 

[cthulhubryan]

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[sambos671]

The point is that Jesus never claimed to be God. It was all claimed for him by Paul and the gospel writers. You know, interpolations. And lunatic, Jesus was never one. Lunatic were those who claim and still do that he was God.

The fact that you don’t believe that the NT correctly quotes Jesus in all his sayings leave us at an impasse. The fact is that the NT quotes Jesus as having claimed to be God. As in the quote “I and the Father are one”. There is no other reason for the Leader of the Sanhedrin to tear his clothes and yell “Blasphemy!” My point is the document is either true or false. It can not be marginally correct. You believe in the Historical figure of Jesus but by pass four different accounts writen at different times and locations as all having the same lie. That is amazing. You got me with Luke. However, to hold your perspective Paul would have ursurped the original apostles who would clearly have indicated Jesus reliance on Judaism if you were correct. Peter would have writen something different had Paul done this. Paul himself was taught what to believe about Jesus through Aninias. Which if you were correct would be just another school of Judaism. But this is clearly not what occured. The Apostles must have taught the divinity of Jesus before Paul.

Why, being Islam younger than Christianity, has more followers proclaiming that Mohammad was the last Prophet of God? If that’s sign of the Truth, why don’t you convert? That’s the same as your question above.

You have a bad habit of getting the wrong inference to what I’m speaking about. I’m showing that before Paul there were certain beliefs already taught and accepted such as the divinity of Christ and the bodily resurrection of Christ. So that you cannot blame Paul the the creation of christianity. Jesus could not have been just a religeous Jew if this is what the apostles taught. Your logic is faulted based on the premise. No matter how flawless a process is of thought if the premise is wrong so is the conclusion.

That’s not what Replacement Theology means. You are describing the joining of Gentiles to the same category of Chosen People WITH not instead of the Jewish People. What Paul means is INSTEAD and not with the Jewish People. Read Galatians 4:21-31.

Yes. Being Jewish does not save. However, Jews can be fulfilled in Following Christ. The fulfillment of everything Jewish is in Jesus Christ. And remember Jesus told the saducees that they were mistaken in their lack of view of an after life. He indicated and actual resurrection from the dead.

I am disappointed at you, who know better of Egyptian Mythology than of your own NT. Luke was a disciple of Paul’s, and followed him almost everywhere, even up to his last station in Rome. You might need to review the book of Acts.

I actually don’t. However, you make a good point about Luke. But your point ends there and does not continue with John, or Matthew. Both having seen the things themselves would attest to what they saw not what Paul told them to say.

What you are telling me is that there was no Divine inspiration. No wonder the load of contradictions.

Again with your bad habit. Divine inspiration uses many modes or vehicles to transmit information. I was commenting on the message itself that it was the same despite the lack of modern means of communication. Time is a comon element in transmition. I was not indicating a lack of inspiration but supporting it in that the same gospel was preached everywhere and could not be reliant on Paul alone nor could it be his adverse (as you suppose) teaching to what Jesus said. Surely, the apostles would have called him out on it. Having actually been with Jesus. Your pre-eminance of Paul falls short with that.

United front! Would you please be more specific? Whom was Paul united with? If you are thinking of the Nazarenes, they were as antagonistic as enemies could be.

He was united with the same gospel that was preached to him. Therefore it wasn’t Paul who changed the face of Christianity as you seem to imply. But Christianity that changed the face of Paul. He taught in union to the teaching that was given him that ultimately comes from the Apostles and Jesus himself.

 

[henrygarcia]

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[OneTrueCathApos]

I am reading the book The Thunder of Justice by Ted and Maureen Flynn and am having a hard time believing there are so many truthful contemporary visionaries. Who is Father Gobbi and is he recognized as a legitimate visionary to any Catholics? In his message received on Sept.18,1988 Mary said,“In this period of 10 years there will come to completion that fullness of time which was pointed out to you by me, beginning with LaSalette all the way to my most present apparitions.” Further in the message it is stated that the tribulation would be completed by 1998. What does everyone else think?

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[Bob_Crowley]

**Too fantastic to be practical. If this will be the work of the Antichrist, what was the work of Christ? Then, what Christ are we talking about, the Christ of the past or the Christ of the future? **

Wha’ts fantastic about it? Verichip exists. The drone guiding chips exist. There are terrorist groups which would dearly love to get their hands on nuclear weapons (what do you think the US pressure on Pakistan is about?). Star Wars exists. An economic breakdown is possible (suggest you look at the US debt clock).

And the accompanying condition of the “mark of the beast” is that nobody could “buy or sell” without it. And it’s got nothing to do with Daniel or the other stuff I’ve seen bandied about on this discussion.

For my money, the woman with the sun under her feet in chapter 12 of Revelation is Mary, and she’s been turning up also - Lourdes, Fatima, Akita and other places. So if she’s started her appearances, then these other things are also on their way.

The anti-Christ will be like Christ in a couple of ways. I suspect he’ll be executed for treason, but the devil will resurrect him. That will be one of the things that will make him seem invincible. And in the early days of his rule, he’ll probably seem reasonable.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Wha’ts fantastic about it? Verichip exists. The drone guiding chips exist. There are terrorist groups which would dearly love to get their hands on nuclear weapons (what do you think the US pressure on Pakistan is about?). Star Wars exists. An economic breakdown is possible (suggest you look at the US debt clock).

And the accompanying condition of the “mark of the beast” is that nobody could “buy or sell” without it. And it’s got nothing to do with Daniel or the other stuff I’ve seen bandied about on this discussion.

For my money, the woman with the sun under her feet in chapter 12 of Revelation is Mary, and she’s been turning up also - Lourdes, Fatima, Akita and other places. So if she’s started her appearances, then these other things are also on their way.

The anti-Christ will be like Christ in a couple of ways. I suspect he’ll be executed for treason, but the devil will resurrect him. That will be one of the things that will make him seem invincible. And in the early days of his rule, he’ll probably seem reasonable.

Gosh! This post of yours should be called the poles of Planet Earth. They can be placed in the extremities from each other. As mordern as the future still to come and as in the past as the Middle Ages. What a jump from atomic weapons in the hands of terrorists to apparitions of people who have died 2000 years ago. You are amazing, did you know?