The Mark of the Beast

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Ben_Masada said:
**God is absolutely One and incorporeal at that. Listen Ryanoneil, do you think we Jews are stupid? Psalm 110 about “the Lord said to my Lord” is so clear that I wonder how you don’t see through it. It has to be something from outside pulling the strings.

Some Psalms were selected to be chanted in the Temple. When David wrote that Psalm it was originally, “The Lord said to me,…” It would become awkward for the choir to sing,
“The Lord said to me…” Therefore, an alteration to that Psalm was in order to make sense. So, it came out to be, “The Lord (God) said to my Lord (David), sit at my right hand till I make of your enemies your footstool.” That’s why I insist that the guys who wrote the gospels were Gentiles with a very poor knoledge of things Jewish, because this about Psalm 110 is so simple that even a Jewish child over 12 can understand it.**
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Your alteration makes no sense because the other psalms of David don’t replace “me”. It is and enthronement psalm. David is the singer and he is addressing his heir as “my Lord”, implying he would be greater than David himself.

What Jesus is telling the Pharisees that there understanding is inadequate. They missed that the point of the Messiah being greater than David. Jesus is saying that he is son of David, and greater than David, because he is the Messiah and the Son of God.
 
Ben_Masada said:
First of all, Jesus never had anything to do with the NT. He was born, lived his span of life, and died, and never heard about the NT, which came out in its form in the Fourth Century. The only Scriptures he knew was the Tanach. This New Covenant you are talking about was between Paul and Christians. And Jesus was neither Lord nor Savior. He himself said that God is the only Lord. (Mark 12:29) And according to Isaiah 43:11 God is the only Savior.
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And Jesus walked about in the temple area on the Portico of Solomon. So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long are you going to keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.” Jesus answered them, “I told you and you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify to me. But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Father’s hand. The Father and I are one.” (Jn 10:23-30)

God is the only Lord and savior.
 
Ben_Masada said:
First of all, Jesus never had anything to do with the NT. He was born, lived his span of life, and died, and never heard about the NT, which came out in its form in the Fourth Century. The only Scriptures he knew was the Tanach. This New Covenant you are talking about was between Paul and Christians. And Jesus was neither Lord nor Savior. He himself said that God is the only Lord. (Mark 12:29) And according to Isaiah 43:11 God is the only Savior.
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Sorry, He had everything to do with it, for the NT is all about Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, also as Son of God ( the Word of God made flesh ).
 
Ben_Masada said:
**I suppose Jesus was also a lost sheep of Israel? He was a Jewish man, whose Faith was Judaism. So am I. Come on Cthulhubryan! Stop fighting against the Truth! Don’t you see yourself on the opposite side of Jesus and myself? How much is it possible not to understand the obvious? Are you embarrassed to give in to Jesus? You know he was Jewish and you are a Christian. How much opposite do you want to stand to each other? Ponder! **
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Excuse me, but YOU are fighting against the Truth yourself: Jesus meant to bring Judaism a step further and it was seen as a heresy by those in opposition with Him.
 
Ben_Masada said:
**I suppose Jesus was also a lost sheep of Israel? He was a Jewish man, whose Faith was Judaism. So am I. Come on Cthulhubryan! Stop fighting against the Truth! Don’t you see yourself on the opposite side of Jesus and myself? How much is it possible not to understand the obvious? Are you embarrassed to give in to Jesus? You know he was Jewish and you are a Christian. How much opposite do you want to stand to each other? Ponder! **
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Jesus could not be a lost sheep as He is God. I have given in to Jesus and that is why I follow Him. He was Jewish but also God. I follow him as God. He died to save the world, not just the Jews, you are limiting the love of God by thinking that.

Jesus sent his disciples.to all the world to preach to every creature.
 
Ben_Masada said:
**I suppose Jesus was also a lost sheep of Israel? He was a Jewish man, whose Faith was Judaism. So am I. Come on Cthulhubryan! Stop fighting against the Truth! Don’t you see yourself on the opposite side of Jesus and myself? How much is it possible not to understand the obvious? Are you embarrassed to give in to Jesus? You know he was Jewish and you are a Christian. How much opposite do you want to stand to each other? Ponder! **
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Seriously … do you expect to win anyone here over to your views? Frankly an atheist like me would probably have better luck with the religious than a Jewish guy who preaches Paul was the anti-Christ :confused:

Religious diatribe is soooo amusing 🙂
 
humble_in_doubt said:
Seriously … do you expect to win anyone here over to your views? Frankly an atheist like me would probably have better luck with the religious than a Jewish guy who preaches Paul was the anti-Christ :confused:

Religious diatribe is soooo amusing 🙂
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**Frankly, if you ask me, I have come up with the idea that Paul was an antichrist just to prove the Christian logic that Jesus was Christ, which means Messiah. If we Jews don’t believe that Jesus was Christ, how could Paul be an antichrist? Use your commonsense.

I adopt the Prophet Isaiah’s view that Israel, the Jewish People is the Messiah; or Christ, if you wanna go Greek. Therefore, the main characteristic of the Antichrist is Antisemitism, which is to be anti-Jewish. Got my point now? **
 
Ben_Masada said:
**Tell me, on your way to Isaiah 45:9-11 did you pass by Isaiah 45:5,6? That’s Jewish, and not what you guys claim about Jesus. It tells of how absolute God is One and the only Lord. **
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You are making the same mistake that many jews made when Jesus walked on the earth. They expected a great political messiah[leader] to restore the glory days of King David. How disappointed many were to discover that their Messiah intended to deliver them from the slavery and opression of sin and not the political slavery and opression of the Romans. Isaiah 45:5 I AM the Lord and there is none else. This will be intellectually challenging to you - as in fact, it is to all thinking people. The Lord your God is One , in the same way that a husband and wife are ONE FAMILY . Hence you can say one plus one equals three … The Oneness [Unity] in Divine Nature and Trinity [Three] of Divine Persons.
 
cthulhubryan said:
Jesus could not be a lost sheep as He is God. I have given in to Jesus and that is why I follow Him. He was Jewish but also God. I follow him as God. He died to save the world, not just the Jews, you are limiting the love of God by thinking that.

Jesus sent his disciples.to all the world to preach to every creature.
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**And you are limiting God’s power of eternity by claiming that He died. Besides, if God had to choose to be born on earth as a man, the Jewish People would have been the last one. He would have picked Greece. There is no room in Judaism for Greek Mythology. **
 
matahari said:
You are making the same mistake that many jews made when Jesus walked on the earth. They expected a great political messiah[leader] to restore the glory days of King David. How disappointed many were to discover that their Messiah intended to deliver them from the slavery and opression of sin and not the political slavery and opression of the Romans. Isaiah 45:5 I AM the Lord and there is none else. This will be intellectually challenging to you - as in fact, it is to all thinking people. The Lord your God is One , in the same way that a husband and wife are ONE FAMILY . Hence you can say one plus one equals three … The Oneness [Unity] in Divine Nature and Trinity [Three] of Divine Persons.
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** I have never expected a political Messiah. My views about the Messiah are the same as the views of the Prophet Isaiah. That the Messiah is Israel, the Jewish People.

And so, did Jesus deliver anyone from the opression of sin? That opression has become worse since the day he died.

Now, about the absurdity of your comparison of God’s Oneness with a husband and wife, spreads ignorance unto the four corners of the earth. A husband is as opposite to a wife as the night is to the day. Besides, God is incorporeal, which enhances His absolute unity. There is no plurality in incorporeality. **
 
Lapell said:
Excuse me, but YOU are fighting against the Truth yourself: Jesus meant to bring Judaism a step further and it was seen as a heresy by those in opposition with Him.
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Read Matthew 5:17-19. No Jew in Israel would consider that a heresy. The heretic was Paul who used to teach the Jews to abandon Moses, to stop circumcising their children, and to renounce the Jewish customs. Read Acts 21:21.
 
Lapell said:
Sorry, He had everything to do with it, for the NT is all about Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, also as Son of God ( the Word of God made flesh ).
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Lapell, please, wake up! When the NT started coming up, with the Pauline Letters, Jesus had been gone for over 30 years. Then, the gospels started showing up from 70 CE all the way to the end of the First Century. And everything in it about Jesus was written by Hellenistic Gentiles who had a very poor knowledge of what it meant to be Jewish.
 
__________________________________________________________________________2Chron.9:13 “And the weight of the gold that was brought to Solomon every year was six hundred and sixty six talents of gold.” King Solomon started out as a type of Christ. He was the son of David, he built the Temple of God and he was famous for his great wisdom . However over time he began to fall from grace and became a type of antichrist. The beginning of his fall from grace was marked around this time after the Queen of Sheba returned to her own land marked by the reference to six hundred and sixty six talents of gold. He ended up breaking the commands to kings not to multiply horses and horsemen - he had 12000 chariots and forty thousand horses , not to marry foreign women with strange religions - he had almost 1000 wives and not to engage in idolatry . 1kings 11: 4 “And when he was now old his heart was turned away by women to follow strange gods” Rev.13:18 states " Here is wisdom. He who has understanding , let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six."
 
Has anybody heard about Benjamin Netanyahu’s dream ? I heard this on a Christian channel last Autumn. Apparently he had a dream in which the Lord, Jesus appeared to him and told him that he ** would be the Prime Minister of Israel when He [Jesus] returned to earth …**
 
there was a brown cashew in my Planters jar … I think it was the beast :eek:
 
Ben_Masada said:
** And so, did Jesus deliver anyone from the opression of sin? That opression has become worse since the day he died. **
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Oh, yes he did, and he has been doing it (and still does it nowadays) to and for many people over the centuries since his coming among Israel…
 
Ben_Masada said:
Lapell, please, wake up! When the NT started coming up, with the Pauline Letters, Jesus had been gone for over 30 years. Then, the gospels started showing up from 70 CE all the way to the end of the First Century. And everything in it about Jesus was written by Hellenistic Gentiles who had a very poor knowledge of what it meant to be Jewish.
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Stop telling Lapell to wake up Ben, he believes in Jesus Christ as Messiah as all Christians do, perhaps it is you who needs some waking up.
 
Lapell said:
Oh, yes he did, and he has been doing it (and still does it nowadays) to and for many people over the centuries since his coming among Israel…
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The dead will never again have part in anything under the sun. Read Ecclesiastes 9:6. The feeling that makes one get in a state of excitement is psychological.
 
You quote everything from the OT. You need to read the NT before you can say anything about the Messiah. Out with the Old, in with the New.
 
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