The Mark of the Beast

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Analogy… prophesy… I think you are more of a pick-and-chooser than anything close to a genuine seeker of the Truth, signore!
We speak of the crucified Jesus not because he would have been the only one that the Romans crucified and you should know it by now, but because of Who He is and that this one Jesus was resurrected and ascended into Heaven. Shalom, Ben! Bonne route on your Lord’s ways and paths… Shalom, you today’s Saul of Tarse… Bayu, bayu, bayu, bayu!
 
You may be a believer in things of Judaism, but you certainly look like an unbeliever in things of Christianity.
I simply wrote this post to explain my use of the word “unbeliever” in the previous post of mine. I thought you could have deduced it yourself, Ben. Now, bayu, bayu, bayu,bayu!! (and sweet dreams!)
 
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The policy was of the Romans to arrest only the heads of any private group throughout the provinces and crucify them so that the disciples would disperse. That’s exactly what happened to Jesus’ group of Twelve. (Mark 14:50) Besides, when the Roman soldiers went for Jesus in the Gethsemane, the order was to get only the head of the group, and Jesus knew it. And Jesus was not the only head of Twelve to clash with the Roman policy and get crucified. Many faced with the same destiny.**
Where is the documentation. Where is his clash with Roman policy recorded. Jesus was not on Rome’s radar screen until he was set up. And It was the Temple guards that went for Jesus, not Roman soldiers.
 
Where do you get that St. Paul was the first pope? This obsession with Paul has to quit, you look like a fool.
Show me a quotation in the NT saying that Peter was a the first Pope. Maybe you should stop being a fool yourself.
 
** My question remains. There was no difference between Jesus’ body of before and after the alleged resurrection. He would eat and drink with his disciples before and after. Since to defecate is the last natural process of digestion, it’s only obvious that Jesus would do that too. What immortal and incorruptible body was that?**
Big deal if he ate, and he sh#t. That doesn’t disprove anything.
**Death will never be destroyed forever. Only God lives forever. All those who are born must die. This is as much a metaphorical expression as the wipe away of tears, and the reproach of Israel being removed from the whole earth. **
Who said anything about not dying. I suppose the netherworld and Sheol are metaphorical expressions also?
 
There is Isaiah 53 with its minute description of the Suffering Servant who was despised and rejected, afflicted with pain and stripes, by whose " Stripes We Are Healed". He then dies, is buried, yet is revived and suffers all this “For the affliction of my people”. all this can be best applied to one person only.
**Yeshua of Nazareth.
** The Talmud (Sanhedrin 98) teaches that this chapter refers to the Messiah. The Targum of Jonathan begins the passage with the words Ha yatslakh avdee Mashikha,
"Behold my servant the Messiah shall prosper."
common sense says it must refer to Jesus…also read:
Daniel 9:26
Isaiah 7:14
Isaiah 9:6
Psalm 2, 2:17
Zachariah 12:10
But you’ll say this is something else anyway.
All assumptions! Nothing but assumptions. Isaiah himself identifies that Suffering Servant with Israel by name, so that you don’t have to assume. But as I can see he lost his time because you guys love to assume what does not have anything to do with the text. Read Isaiah 41:8,9; 44:1,2,21; 45:4. And all the other quotations give me only the impression that you think Jesus was the only one crucified by the Romans. You should read Josephus. The Romans crucified thousands of Jews in the very same manner Jesus was. The others too shed the same blood and felt the same pain.
 
**At least they were Jews writing for Jews about Jews. **
Your answer is a cop out and sets up a gross double standard. If you apply your own standards to the OT it is fabricated and should not be believed.

Neither one of us believes that, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
Analogy… prophesy… I think you are more of a pick-and-chooser than anything close to a genuine seeker of the Truth, signore!
Do you know what’s written in Isaiah 42:6? That Israel has been assigned as light unto the Gentiles. Therefore, I am not here seeking the Truth. I am here bring the Truth. And if you read Psalm 119:105, the Truth is compared to light in the path of man. No wonder that Jesus said that the Jews are the light of the world. (Mat. 5:14)
 
We speak of the crucified Jesus not because he would have been the only one that the Romans crucified and you should know it by now, but because of Who He is and that this one Jesus was resurrected and ascended into Heaven. Shalom, Ben! Bonne route on your Lord’s ways and paths… Shalom, you today’s Saul of Tarse… Bayu, bayu, bayu, bayu!
There was never an eyewitness to Jesus’ resurrection. This is something that one has to believe in the dark. I am not that naive, unless you show me who was an eyewitness to the resurrection.
 
Where is the documentation. Where is his clash with Roman policy recorded. Jesus was not on Rome’s radar screen until he was set up. And It was the Temple guards that went for Jesus, not Roman soldiers.
You guys must love to make a laughingstock of yourselves.
You set Peter cutting the ear of Malcus one of the Roman corhots in the Getsemane and now you say that Temple guards went for Jesus and not Roman soldiers. That’s embarrassing for lack of a better word. I am not going even to give you which gospel says so. You are supposed to know much better than that.
 
Big deal if he ate, and he sh#t. That doesn’t disprove anything.

Are you sure? I wouldn’t bet on that. If we have to continue doing those things after resurrection, thanks but no, thanks. It’s not worthy.

Who said anything about not dying. I suppose the netherworld and Sheol are metaphorical expressions also?

Of course they are! A metaphor pointing to the dust of the earth. I can’t believe my eys! Well, I should by now be used to read about these aberrations already.
 
Your answer is a cop out and sets up a gross double standard. If you apply your own standards to the OT it is fabricated and should not be believed.

Neither one of us believes that, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Why don’t you try me with the Hebrew Scriptures? You will be suprised that there is no double standard with me. The shock between us is that I read the Scriptures with logical enlightenment. And you, allow me to say, seem to be enlightened most the time, but when they pull the strings stronger than usual, you drop the other shoe in more embarrassing ways than one.
 
beauty is in the eyes of the beholder…your hateful diatibe against we Christians is old hat…we can never defend ourselves…consider…its popularity that is the mark of the beast…the Oprahs,Opie and his hate films against Jesus,hollywierd and its dysfunctional whores,broadway and ditto…certain politicos…Kennedy,Obama,McCain, etc etc…certain talk show hosts who also are on the same team as the above…Billy O,Rush,Sean,Etc…all are popular,make huge amounts of money,laugh and smirk at us behind our backs…and more and more right in our faces…they send our young sons and daughters to fight in no win wars while they make money with belonging to the mil.-industrial complex…these,boys and girls are the demons who make money from selling the war goods …uniforms,munitions,fuel,food,armaments etc etc…and so it goes…the mark of the beast is …popularity…if one is popular,receives favorable press or free publicity…like Bill,Rush,Sean etc they have the mark of the beast on their soul…the poor things have joined the secular humanistic culture and thus hate Jesus with a passion.notice the tremendous free publicity,given to yet another hate film…Angels etc…by Opie…this would cost millions otherwise,but teammembers get it free…tune in next week boys and girls for the thrilling story of yet another war in a place called…Af…
 
You guys must love to make a laughingstock of yourselves.
You set Peter cutting the ear of Malcus one of the Roman corhots in the Getsemane and now you say that Temple guards went for Jesus and not Roman soldiers. That’s embarrassing for lack of a better word. I am not going even to give you which gospel says so. You are supposed to know much better than that.
Malcus was the servant of the high priest. I should have been more specific. John 18:3 suggests that there was a detachment of Roman troops with the Temple guard. This would be a case of the occupying military escorting the provincial government. If the Roman’s were behind the arrest, Jesus would have gone straight to Pilate. But that is not what happened. It was primarily the provincial government acting at that point.
 
Why don’t you try me with the Hebrew Scriptures? You will be suprised that there is no double standard with me. The shock between us is that I read the Scriptures with logical enlightenment. And you, allow me to say, seem to be enlightened most the time, but when they pull the strings stronger than usual, you drop the other shoe in more embarrassing ways than one.
For what it’s worth, thanks for the compliment. The only point I’m making about double standard is: the criteria of “no I witness author” is fine for Judaism but not Christianity. And the elapsed time between the writing and actual events is six time larger (or more) with Judaism. It’s a double standard to hold that against one text without holding it against the other.
 
There was never an eyewitness to Jesus’ resurrection. This is something that one has to believe in the dark. I am not that naive, unless you show me who was an eyewitness to the resurrection.
Should a book be written: Not By Reason Alone ? Actually, you are not just saying:" I will believe anything that can be demonstrated through reason", which I myself agree to say. But you are saying, “I won’t believe a thing that can’t be demonstrated through reason”… which is at once contradicted by your faith in the God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, if it’s really in Him that you truly believe in…
 
You guys must love to make a laughingstock of yourselves.
You set Peter cutting the ear of Malcus one of the Roman corhots in the Getsemane and now you say that Temple guards went for Jesus and not Roman soldiers. That’s embarrassing for lack of a better word. I am not going even to give you which gospel says so. You are supposed to know much better than that.
Malcus was a relative of the High Priest! Also, in a Greco-Roman world, Ananiah is written Ananias. Have you not a different first name for your dealings with the non-Jews? At least, outside of the Land of Israel?
 
Should a book be written: Not By Reason Alone ? Actually, you are not just saying:" I will believe anything that can be demonstrated through reason", which I myself agree to say. But you are saying, “I won’t believe a thing that can’t be demonstrated through reason”… which is at once contradicted by your faith in the God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, if it’s really in Him that you truly believe in…
I am certain that you take certain things without asking " I won’t take it unless you demonstrate right now why I must take it!" 😉
 
For what it’s worth, thanks for the compliment. The only point I’m making about double standard is: the criteria of “no I witness author” is fine for Judaism but not Christianity. And the elapsed time between the writing and actual events is six time larger (or more) with Judaism. It’s a double standard to hold that against one text without holding it against the other.
Speaking of Biblical interpretation in Judaism, Isn’t it true that Maimonides had to add a few rules to it. I think they are 13, while previously there were only 7.
Also, Ben once spoke of numerous layers of interpretation for any given passage, but strangely he would not admit there might be many layers of interpretation for the passage of Isaiah he keeps bringing up: that was meant for Israel and only for Israel! Clearly, there is bias there! :twocents::coffee::coffeeread::sad_yes:🤷:rolleyes:
 
Show me a quotation in the NT saying that Peter was a the first Pope. Maybe you should stop being a fool yourself.
Well if you supposedly read the NT, you’d see it. Jesus told Peter, not only to start His church, but gave the command “**Whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven, whatever you bind on earth, shall be bound in Heaven” **Not only did He leave Peter with the authority to govern the church, He also gave commands to His Disciples when He breathed on them with the Holy Spirit and said “**What sins you forgive are forgiven them, what sins you retain are retained” **This is also the duty of pennance from our priests.
 
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