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The State of Minnesota will be voting this November on the Marriage Amendment. The Amendment is designed to officially define marriage legally as being between one man and one woman. While the stereotypical view of Minnesota is a lot of Lutherans eating their lutefisk in the Church Basement (which really is entirely true…:D) it is a blue state that has very liberal leanings. I am truthfully concerned about this November vote.

We have a ‘Vote Yes: One Man, One Woman’ sign in our yard… but when I go to the sidewalk and look down the street, I am overwhelmed by the number of bright orange “Vote No!” signs. Having the sign in our yard has already identified us as hate filled bigots by some. It feels like a battle that can’t be won. Losing this nearly guarantees the legalization of same-sex “marriages” in our state.

Please pray. Please join me in prayer for my state, and the others who are voting this year on the same issue. I believe there are five states total that are voting on this issue.
 
It’s disgusting that it’s gotten to teh point where the nature of marriage is something people need to be told… and even more disgusting that most of those people will reject it even after they are told.

I’ll say a prayer for it’s passing during my rosary this evening.
 
I’m too old, not really… When I graduated High School in 1965 the following were considered perversions (or a crime) by most state and local governments and punisable.
  • Any homosexual activity.
  • Sodomy
  • Incest
Now only incest is considered a perversion… With the way our country views sex, incest may be off the list in a decade or two.
 
Folks are so ancious to vote yes or no on this subject.

Here in Ohio, folks voted yes that marriage is for one man and one woman. What they failed to do was to read the fine print, and the powers that be were hopeing they would not.

What that law has done was to take many rights away from married folks. Of the many changes it has made, The biggest reason why I voted against it was that the new law took away the couple’s right to a common law marriage.

I have friends who have ‘jumped over the broom stick’ or have had other open forum marriage ceremonies. Some of these men and women are christian, but in all the cases they just don’t want to give the government the money to officially state with a certificate for the wall what they already knew as the truth.

Believe me, Civil marriage and a proper marriage before God ARE two different things. The state’s reaction to one such marriage of one of my friends is a great example. My friend’s husband passed away last November. Now that common law marriage doesn’t exist in this state, she has to fight a corporation to simply keep her house long enough to raise their two kids in. After they are grown, she doesn’t care if the corporation takes the whole thing and bulldozes it. She has enough in the bank to survive, but she would not be able to afford an apartment AND to feed the kids till they are 18. I applaud here and agree with her that her presence in the home while they are in elementary though H.S. is much more important to their upbringing.

Also, Before this Marriage is for One man and One woman law, Karen and Greg’s marriage was legal even to the point that Greg’s insurance covered the children’s medical expenses. Now the medical insurance also has been withdrawn on the review because the kids were not ‘proven’ to be Greg’s.

I tell y’all this because you need to be careful what you are so quickly reacting to. This law too will take many rights away from those folks who are already in common law relationships. It isn’t easy digging up the cash to give to a government entity in exchange for a worthless piece of paper for the wall. It is SILLY to think they should.

Don’t be so reactive
 
I also live in Minnesota and I’ve seen way too many Vote No signs for my liking. On my commute to work on the bus, I ride through lots of residential neighborhoods, and all I see are Vote Nos. The only times I ever saw Vote Yes signs were on the outside of my parents’ parish (nope, not on mine 🤷) and in the yard of a house hidden away on a cul de sac.

I’ve been praying hard for the amendment to pass. I think either way, it will be a close vote.
 
Ophelia23 said:
The State of Minnesota will be voting this November on the Marriage Amendment. The Amendment is designed to officially define marriage legally as being between one man and one woman. While the stereotypical view of Minnesota is a lot of Lutherans eating their lutefisk in the Church Basement (which really is entirely true…:D) it is a blue state that has very liberal leanings. I am truthfully concerned about this November vote.

We have a ‘Vote Yes: One Man, One Woman’ sign in our yard… but when I go to the sidewalk and look down the street, I am overwhelmed by the number of bright orange “Vote No!” signs. Having the sign in our yard has already identified us as hate filled bigots by some. It feels like a battle that can’t be won. Losing this nearly guarantees the legalization of same-sex “marriages” in our state.

Please pray. Please join me in prayer for my state, and the others who are voting this year on the same issue. I believe there are five states total that are voting on this issue.
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The campaign season in California four years ago was quite ugly on this regard. Not only were people unjustly called bigots, they were subjected to extreme, hateful behavior and vandalism; some of which were treated as hate crimes.

Just pray and vote.
 
frenchbeatle said:
I also live in Minnesota and I’ve seen way too many Vote No signs for my liking. On my commute to work on the bus, I ride through lots of residential neighborhoods, and all I see are Vote Nos. The only times I ever saw Vote Yes signs were on the outside of my parents’ parish (nope, not on mine 🤷) and in the yard of a house hidden away on a cul de sac.

I’ve been praying hard for the amendment to pass. I think either way, it will be a close vote.
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I think that it’s a case of people being afraid to have a Vote Yes sign out. There is so much opposition, and there is so much anger directed at people who believe it should be one man and one woman. It automatically means we are full of hate, or that we fear homosexual people. I don’t get why it has to jump to that. 🤷
 
I feel ya. I think the people who don’t make any noise are going to vote yes though. So it might be closer than you would expect in such a liberal state. Not to mention we have some randomly conservative areas.
 
Will_B said:
I’m too old, not really… When I graduated High School in 1965 the following were considered perversions (or a crime) by most state and local governments and punisable.
  • Any homosexual activity.
  • Sodomy
  • Incest
Now only incest is considered a perversion… With the way our country views sex, incest may be off the list in a decade or two.
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I would add
  • Pedophilia
But they are already trying to take that one off the list in Canada. There was a post somewhere on CAF about it not long ago. Sorry can’t find it right now.
 
CatherineOH said:
I tell y’all this because you need to be careful what you are so quickly reacting to. This law too will take many rights away from those folks who are already in common law relationships. It isn’t easy digging up the cash to give to a government entity in exchange for a worthless piece of paper for the wall. It is SILLY to think they should.

Don’t be so reactive
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Thanks for the warning!
 
Quaesitor said:
I would add
  • Pedophilia
But they are already trying to take that one off the list in Canada. There was a post somewhere on CAF about it not long ago. Sorry can’t find it right now.
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Close to perfect signature. 😉
 
CatherineOH said:
Folks are so ancious to vote yes or no on this subject.

Here in Ohio, folks voted yes that marriage is for one man and one woman. What they failed to do was to read the fine print, and the powers that be were hopeing they would not.

What that law has done was to take many rights away from married folks. Of the many changes it has made, The biggest reason why I voted against it was that the new law took away the couple’s right to a common law marriage.

I have friends who have ‘jumped over the broom stick’ or have had other open forum marriage ceremonies. Some of these men and women are christian, but in all the cases they just don’t want to give the government the money to officially state with a certificate for the wall what they already knew as the truth.

Believe me, Civil marriage and a proper marriage before God ARE two different things. The state’s reaction to one such marriage of one of my friends is a great example. My friend’s husband passed away last November. Now that common law marriage doesn’t exist in this state, she has to fight a corporation to simply keep her house long enough to raise their two kids in. After they are grown, she doesn’t care if the corporation takes the whole thing and bulldozes it. She has enough in the bank to survive, but she would not be able to afford an apartment AND to feed the kids till they are 18. I applaud here and agree with her that her presence in the home while they are in elementary though H.S. is much more important to their upbringing.

Also, Before this Marriage is for One man and One woman law, Karen and Greg’s marriage was legal even to the point that Greg’s insurance covered the children’s medical expenses. Now the medical insurance also has been withdrawn on the review because the kids were not ‘proven’ to be Greg’s.

I tell y’all this because you need to be careful what you are so quickly reacting to. This law too will take many rights away from those folks who are already in common law relationships. It isn’t easy digging up the cash to give to a government entity in exchange for a worthless piece of paper for the wall. It is SILLY to think they should.

Don’t be so reactive
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While I can see how that has been very trying on your friend and her common law marriage, what are you suggesting is the alternative? Voting no on the amendment and thereby legalizing same-sex marriage? I hardly think so. I am so sorry for what has happened to your friend, and I can’t imagine the grief of losing a partner like that. If the outcome of this amendment does indeed cause common law marriages to fall by the wayside, then hopefully the word will get out there for the couples that will impact.
 
I am also from minnesota, and I know that the vote Yes signs we ordered at our parish were only just delivered a week ago. I have been to a fundraiser to raise money for signage and air time for commercials, don’t lose hope. I was sitting outside yesterday afternoon enjoying the last of the afternoon sun and heard a man speaking on his cell phone as he stood in front of my house, he was telling the other person he had on line that I had two signs in my front yard, very shortly after that, two other young men drove by and pointed at my house. We simply put our signs inside for the overnight hours. All but a few of the vote yes signs in our town have been vandalized with red spray paint. The sign in front of our parish made it exactly one day. I am not one to be easily intimidated, I just keep them close to the house so we can see anyone that comes on to our property. others in our parish have received threatening anonymous letters in their mailboxes…We pray, we must pray.
 
Quaesitor said:
I would add
  • Pedophilia
But they are already trying to take that one off the list in Canada. There was a post somewhere on CAF about it not long ago. Sorry can’t find it right now.
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What age do you think it would be OK for a young girl to have sex? It’s legal in Canada if the girl is 14. You surely don’t class that as paedophilia?
 
CatherineOH said:
Folks are so ancious to vote yes or no on this subject.

Here in Ohio, folks voted yes that marriage is for one man and one woman. What they failed to do was to read the fine print, and the powers that be were hopeing they would not.

What that law has done was to take many rights away from married folks. Of the many changes it has made, The biggest reason why I voted against it was that the new law took away the couple’s right to a common law marriage.

I have friends who have ‘jumped over the broom stick’ or have had other open forum marriage ceremonies. Some of these men and women are christian, but in all the cases they just don’t want to give the government the money to officially state with a certificate for the wall what they already knew as the truth.

Believe me, Civil marriage and a proper marriage before God ARE two different things. The state’s reaction to one such marriage of one of my friends is a great example. My friend’s husband passed away last November. Now that common law marriage doesn’t exist in this state, she has to fight a corporation to simply keep her house long enough to raise their two kids in. After they are grown, she doesn’t care if the corporation takes the whole thing and bulldozes it. She has enough in the bank to survive, but she would not be able to afford an apartment AND to feed the kids till they are 18. I applaud here and agree with her that her presence in the home while they are in elementary though H.S. is much more important to their upbringing.

Also, Before this Marriage is for One man and One woman law, Karen and Greg’s marriage was legal even to the point that Greg’s insurance covered the children’s medical expenses. Now the medical insurance also has been withdrawn on the review because the kids were not ‘proven’ to be Greg’s.

I tell y’all this because you need to be careful what you are so quickly reacting to. This law too will take many rights away from those folks who are already in common law relationships. It isn’t easy digging up the cash to give to a government entity in exchange for a worthless piece of paper for the wall. It is SILLY to think they should.

Don’t be so reactive
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A simple google search turns up that it cost $50 in ohio for a marriage license. And for the many reason you stated, I respectfully state, that those are the reasons they should have gotten married legally. I have a friend who went through exactly the same thing, and we urged them to get married after he was diagnosed with liver cancer. Now she is in real peril of losing her home.
 
maryj said:
A simple google search turns up that it cost $50 in ohio for a marriage license. And for the many reason you stated, I respectfully state, that those are the reasons they should have gotten married legally. I have a friend who went through exactly the same thing, and we urged them to get married after he was diagnosed with liver cancer. Now she is in real peril of losing her home.
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I agree with you, but in this case, and more that I am aware of it would be giving into “THE MAN”. (government of all levels)
And I have to agree.

**Government should have no say as to who is married and who isn’t. ** and is why we have this discussion on if same sex should get married etc etc.

Myself, I will never be ‘married’ again if it means a certificate on the wall. If the occasion ever happens where I and a potential spouse consider it, I don’t know how the church feels about a marriage ceremony without a civil certificate.
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY ANY GOVERNMENT WITH MY NAME ON IT.
I however would welcome one from the church.
 
CatherineOH said:
I however would welcome one from the church.
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The Church would not approve a marriage that is not also legal for the State. In most countries, you need to have a civil ceremony before you can have the Church ceremony. I am not aware of any place where the civil requirements of marriage are completely contrary to Church teaching (that is, there is no place where following civil law concerning marriage necessarily requires violating Catholic principles).
 
CatherineOH said:
I agree with you, but in this case, and more that I am aware of it would be giving into “THE MAN”. (government of all levels)
And I have to agree.

**Government should have no say as to who is married and who isn’t. **and is why we have this discussion on if same sex should get married etc etc.

Myself, I will never be ‘married’ again if it means a certificate on the wall. If the occasion ever happens where I and a potential spouse consider it, I don’t know how the church feels about a marriage ceremony without a civil certificate.
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY ANY GOVERNMENT WITH MY NAME ON IT.
I however would welcome one from the church.
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I see in your profile that you are a recent convert to catholocism. While you believe that the government should have no say in who is married and who isn’t, the Word of God tells us differently, the Church that Jesus Christ established tells us differently, our Holy Father tells us differently.
 
SonCatcher said:
The Church would not approve a marriage that is not also legal for the State. In most countries, you need to have a civil ceremony before you can have the Church ceremony. I am not aware of any place where the civil requirements of marriage are completely contrary to Church teaching (that is, there is no place where following civil law concerning marriage necessarily requires violating Catholic principles).
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In my husband’s native El Salvador, it is very common for folks to have church marriages without civil marriages, precisely because of the associated costs. This is also a very poverty-stricken nation. The result is a common tradition of children’s surnames very often belonging to the mothers, when the parents are married only in the church, versus having the fathers’ surnames if married by the state.
 
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