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Doxiemom
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well said
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Doxiemom
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what you hear is very wrong.I heard Masons in America spend about $800.00 a year on member dues… I wonder how much of that goes to to the leadership levels in Europe.
…especially considering that Masons mostly work for free.
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Bill46
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I find it sad that someone in this enlightened age still believes all the ancient lies about Masonry, just as I feel about all the lies about Catholicism.
To respond to your individual statements:
To respond to your individual statements:
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Tantum_ergo
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Look, individual Masons may be wonderful, fine, uprighit people. It’s quite possible that especially in the modern U.S. that in the lodges, the vast majority of the people never go beyond some kind of ritual that they don’t even THINK of as being anti-Catholic in that our society is permeated with ideas of indifferentism and relativism to the nth degree.
That doesn’t make the Church wrong in its discerning, though.
With apologies, the vast majority of the German people who were active members of the Nazi party most likely thought that ITS ideals did not contradict with their ‘idea’ of Christianity. Most were probably ignorant of the evil that was implicit in the party’s teaching, few of them really went into truly criminal behavior. . .and again, many many people were able to participate in a ‘fringe’ kind of way. If you lived in a fairly rural area away from the battlefields, if you had a fairly decent township, you could probably pay ‘lip service’ to the ideals of the Nazi party, not really bothering to read all about, focus on things like "Hitler Youth’ by emphasizing the ‘youth service’ aspects and the patriotism, and never again realize that the party itself was espousing evil.
I do NOT think the Masons are like the Nazis, but I DO think that there are many who are either ignoring the teaching and making up their own kind of ‘Masonic’ teachings by emphasizing things like gathering, service, and ‘ignoring’ the deeper teaching because, “that isn’t the part of being a Mason that we’re interested in”, just as many in Germany did with the Nazi party.
And just as those people in Germany may have SINCERELY BELIEVED and thought they had avoided any PROBLEMATIC teachings by just not doing them, or letting just a few ‘do the whole thing’, or closed their eyes to anything that didn’t go along with how they thought it ‘should be’, many people who are ‘involved’ in masonry are doing THAT SAME THING and trying to convince themselves, and others, that because, “we just do good things, therefore Mason teachings must be good”.
It didn’t work for the Nazis and history has demonstrated it. If you had tried to say this in 1934, you’d be rou
dly disbelieved, but fast forward a few years and it was obvious.
SO people might not believe masonry isn’t all shining stars, clowns, and helping children in AD 2013, but just give it time. . .
That doesn’t make the Church wrong in its discerning, though.
With apologies, the vast majority of the German people who were active members of the Nazi party most likely thought that ITS ideals did not contradict with their ‘idea’ of Christianity. Most were probably ignorant of the evil that was implicit in the party’s teaching, few of them really went into truly criminal behavior. . .and again, many many people were able to participate in a ‘fringe’ kind of way. If you lived in a fairly rural area away from the battlefields, if you had a fairly decent township, you could probably pay ‘lip service’ to the ideals of the Nazi party, not really bothering to read all about, focus on things like "Hitler Youth’ by emphasizing the ‘youth service’ aspects and the patriotism, and never again realize that the party itself was espousing evil.
I do NOT think the Masons are like the Nazis, but I DO think that there are many who are either ignoring the teaching and making up their own kind of ‘Masonic’ teachings by emphasizing things like gathering, service, and ‘ignoring’ the deeper teaching because, “that isn’t the part of being a Mason that we’re interested in”, just as many in Germany did with the Nazi party.
And just as those people in Germany may have SINCERELY BELIEVED and thought they had avoided any PROBLEMATIC teachings by just not doing them, or letting just a few ‘do the whole thing’, or closed their eyes to anything that didn’t go along with how they thought it ‘should be’, many people who are ‘involved’ in masonry are doing THAT SAME THING and trying to convince themselves, and others, that because, “we just do good things, therefore Mason teachings must be good”.
It didn’t work for the Nazis and history has demonstrated it. If you had tried to say this in 1934, you’d be rou
dly disbelieved, but fast forward a few years and it was obvious.
SO people might not believe masonry isn’t all shining stars, clowns, and helping children in AD 2013, but just give it time. . .
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Pulvis
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For what its worth on this discussion, i have yet to see anyone point to these teachings:
papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13ms3.htm
papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13human.htm (really should read this!)
papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13ms4.htm
“The enemy forces, inspired by the evil spirit, ever wage war on the Christian name. They join forces in this endeavor with certain groups of men whose purpose is to subvert divinely revealed truths and to rend the very fabric of Christian society with disastrous dissent. Indeed, how much damage these cohorts, as it were, have inflicted on the Church is well known. And yet, the spirit of all previous groups hostile to Catholic institutions has come to life again in that group called the Masonic sect, which, strong in manpower and resources, is the leader in a war against anything sacred.” Pope Leo XIII Inimica Vis
Masonry is anathema to The Church.
Another resource here: scripturecatholic.com/freemasonry_qa.html
I am a southerner. Born and raised in South Carolina. I was raised in the old south, and masonry, along with Protestantism, holds a firm lock on most endeavors here, churches, government, et. al.
papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13ms3.htm
papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13human.htm (really should read this!)
papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13ms4.htm
“The enemy forces, inspired by the evil spirit, ever wage war on the Christian name. They join forces in this endeavor with certain groups of men whose purpose is to subvert divinely revealed truths and to rend the very fabric of Christian society with disastrous dissent. Indeed, how much damage these cohorts, as it were, have inflicted on the Church is well known. And yet, the spirit of all previous groups hostile to Catholic institutions has come to life again in that group called the Masonic sect, which, strong in manpower and resources, is the leader in a war against anything sacred.” Pope Leo XIII Inimica Vis
Masonry is anathema to The Church.
Another resource here: scripturecatholic.com/freemasonry_qa.html
I am a southerner. Born and raised in South Carolina. I was raised in the old south, and masonry, along with Protestantism, holds a firm lock on most endeavors here, churches, government, et. al.
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