The Mass is coming on now

[Pax_et_Caritas]

For all those who are interested, the Mass celebrated the the FSSP is beginning now on EWTN.

 

[THurifer2]

Wow, certainly pleasing to God. So far a great homily…even takes a subtle jab at protestant theology. So far this Mass is WELL DONE.

 

[timjp77]

no one clapped at the end of this Mass? At my N.O. parish that would have happend if the choir had sung that beautifully.

anyway, I’d like to thank ETWN for airing this Mass. It was truly awe inspiring.

 

[jpy15026]

Can someone explain the cloth that was draped on the communion rail ?? It’s pupose?? Some had their hands under it and some on top of it. It certainly was’nt intended to keep any Sacred particles from falling to the floor was it??
Was it there to just keep the communion rail from handprints,if so why would communicants then put their hands under it rather than on it as some Sisters seemed to do.
Thanks,
John

 

[jpy15026]

Answered my own question:

*The “Rituale Romanum” (tit. iv, cap. ii, n. I) prescribes that a clean white cloth be extended before those who receive Holy Communion. This cloth is to be of fine linen, **as it is solely intended as a sort of corporal to receive the particles which may by chance fall from the hands of the priest. **It is usually fastened on the sanctuary side and when in use is drawn over the top of the rail. It should extend the full length of the rail, and be about two feet wide, so that the communicant, taking it in both hands, may hold it under his chin. *

It just looked as if there were any particles that had fallen, they would have ended up on the floor every time a communicants hands were removed and another communicant placed their hands under it. What am I missing here?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01356c.htm

 

[DJgang]

Can someone explain the cloth that was draped on the communion rail ?? It’s pupose?? Some had their hands under it and some on top of it. It certainly was’nt intended to keep any Sacred particles from falling to the floor was it??
Was it there to just keep the communion rail from handprints,if so why would communicants then put their hands under it rather than on it as some Sisters seemed to do.
Thanks,
John

Well, if I remember correctly…and someone can correct me if I am wrong…(I didn’t receive communion) but, before the service started, I was under the impression we were told to put our hands under the cloth, look up, close eyes, open mouth, stick out tongue and don’t say anything after receiving.

So, assuming, yes that cloth was to catch the Host just in case it was missed by the plate (don’t know the correct word)…I would bet those that put their hands under it, was normal attendences of TLM and those that did not, were not…

Well…there ya go…found the answer!

 

[DJgang]

no one clapped at the end of this Mass? At my N.O. parish that would have happend if the choir had sung that beautifully.

anyway, I’d like to thank ETWN for airing this Mass. It was truly awe inspiring.

LOL! For the most part, I kept my eyes shut and imagined being in Heaven!

 

[brotherhrolf]

I don’t know where the “hands under” rule came from. When I made my First Communion in 1958, it was hands folded in a “praying” configuration. The technical term for “plate” is paten.

Anyone know when the rebroadcast will be?

 

[Caesar]

At all the traditional Masses I have attended the practice has been to place your hands under the cloth (if there is a cloth).

 

[DJgang]

I don’t know where the “hands under” rule came from. When I made my First Communion in 1958, it was hands folded in a “praying” configuration. The technical term for “plate” is paten.

Anyone know when the rebroadcast will be?

ADVENT SOLEMN MASS OF OUR LADY
(EXTRADORDINARY FORM) LIVE 2hr.
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**Sat, 12/15/07 8:00 AM LIVE
Sat, 12/15/07 6:00 PM ENCORE
Sun, 12/16/07 12:00 AM ENCORE
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[AJV]

Answered my own question:

*The “Rituale Romanum” (tit. iv, cap. ii, n. I) prescribes that a clean white cloth be extended before those who receive Holy Communion. This cloth is to be of fine linen, **as it is solely intended as a sort of corporal to receive the particles which may by chance fall from the hands of the priest. ***It is usually fastened on the sanctuary side and when in use is drawn over the top of the rail. It should extend the full length of the rail, and be about two feet wide, so that the communicant, taking it in both hands, may hold it under his chin.

It just looked as if there were any particles that had fallen, they would have ended up on the floor every time a communicants hands were removed and another communicant placed their hands under it. What am I missing here?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01356c.htm

You might find this article interesting vis the cloth and the Particles.

The cloth used to be commanded in the rubrics at the time when the NewAdvent article was written. In fact, the article contains a small inaccuracy with regard to the “gilt plate” - at the time of the article, the plate (paten) was “tolerated” - and a few years after the article, the Congregation of Rites ruled that the cloth could not be replaced by the paten and was obligatory.

However, when the rubrics were overhauled in 1961, mention of the cloth was omitted from the rubrics. Only the paten was mentioned, and moreover, into the rubrics were added instructions on what to do with these communion-patens. Thus, many rubricians concluded that the cloth was no longer obligatory.

 

[brotherhrolf]

At all the traditional Masses I have attended the practice has been to place your hands under the cloth (if there is a cloth).

That may be so now Caesar, but it was not the way I ever received Communion and I did make my First Communion in 1958. Don’t forget that as an altar boy, the paten was the first line of defense. The communion rail cloth (which the altar boys had to move to cover the commmunion rail before communion) was the second line of defense.

In all my years as an altar boy with folks receiving on the tongue, I cannont recall a single instance of the host being dropped. As a cathedral choir member for 24 years, I have seen it dropped more times than I care to imagine.

 

[Caesar]

That may be so now Caesar, but it was not the way I ever received Communion and I did make my First Communion in 1958. Don’t forget that as an altar boy, the paten was the first line of defense. The communion rail cloth (which the altar boys had to move to cover the commmunion rail before communion) was the second line of defense.

In all my years as an altar boy with folks receiving on the tongue, I cannont recall a single instance of the host being dropped. As a cathedral choir member for 24 years, I have seen it dropped more times than I care to imagine.

Of course, I always see the paten in use as well.

At my old parish I saw a lay minister drop a glass chalice during Communion. Knowing that parish, I shudder to imagine how that was cleaned up.

 

[brotherhrolf]

You might find this article interesting vis the cloth and the Particles.

The cloth used to be commanded in the rubrics at the time when the NewAdvent article was written. In fact, the article contains a small inaccuracy with regard to the “gilt plate” - at the time of the article, the plate (paten) was “tolerated” - and a few years after the article, the Congregation of Rites ruled that the cloth could not be replaced by the paten and was obligatory.

However, when the rubrics were overhauled in 1961, mention of the cloth was omitted from the rubrics. Only the paten was mentioned, and moreover, into the rubrics were added instructions on what to do with these communion-patens. Thus, many rubricians concluded that the cloth was no longer obligatory.

How are you AJV? I reported truthfully. When I made my First Communion in second grade in 1958, the communion rail cloth was there. But we were instructed to fold our hands as if in prayer and place them under our chins. I became an altar boy the following year and we were trained to use the paten.

 

[Windmill]

If we had one Mass in each parish like this…(sigh)

 

[Joannm]

At all the traditional Masses I have attended the practice has been to place your hands under the cloth (if there is a cloth).

I received First Communion in 1961 and there was no cloth on the altar rail

 

[lak611]

You might find this article interesting vis the cloth and the Particles.

The cloth used to be commanded in the rubrics at the time when the NewAdvent article was written. In fact, the article contains a small inaccuracy with regard to the “gilt plate” - at the time of the article, the plate (paten) was “tolerated” - and a few years after the article, the Congregation of Rites ruled that the cloth could not be replaced by the paten and was obligatory.

However, when the rubrics were overhauled in 1961, mention of the cloth was omitted from the rubrics. Only the paten was mentioned, and moreover, into the rubrics were added instructions on what to do with these communion-patens. Thus, many rubricians concluded that the cloth was no longer obligatory.

I have been to the TLM offered in my diocese several times, and there was never a cloth on the communion rail. Only patens were used.

 

[AJV]

How are you AJV?

Stressed out with personal stuff, but still going

I reported truthfully. When I made my First Communion in second grade in 1958, the communion rail cloth was there. But we were instructed to fold our hands as if in prayer and place them under our chins. I became an altar boy the following year and we were trained to use the paten.

Ay yi. I didn’t post it to imply that your information was incorrect, brotherhrolf. I think often there is a wide difference between practise and official rulings particularly where there is long standing custom. My apologies if I implied that your memory was faulty :tiphat:

 

[brotherhrolf]

Not at all, not at all. My mother used to tell me that things were different for her when she was growing up in the 30s as it came to Lenten practices, fasting, and fasting before Communion.

I’m simply trying to act as the voice of what we in the pew experienced rather that what was down on paper…what I saw with my own two eyes and what I experienced.

 

[lak611]

Not at all, not at all. My mother used to tell me that things were different for her when she was growing up in the 30s as it came to Lenten practices, fasting, and fasting before Communion.

I’m simply trying to act as the voice of what we in the pew experienced rather that what was down on paper…what I saw with my own two eyes and what I experienced.

I always appreciate hearing your experiences, since I was not fortunate enough to actually experience them myself.