The Mass Revision

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Has the Mass changed already? I heard about this a few months ago and thought it was going to take a long time but people sound like it already did.

If it did change, what is different?

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Parts of the new translation have already been phased in in certain other countries (Scotland? New Zealand? I forget.) For the United States, it’s November 27, although bishops can permit their dioceses to start using the musical parts of the new translation (the Gloria, etc.) earlier. Some have; it depends on the diocese.
 
The only change I would be excited about, would be the change back to the traditional mass:D
 
MarkThompson said:
Parts of the new translation have already been phased in in certain other countries (Scotland? New Zealand? I forget.) For the United States, it’s November 27, although bishops can permit their dioceses to start using the musical parts of the new translation (the Gloria, etc.) earlier. Some have; it depends on the diocese.
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Greetings MarkThompson,

I believe that Australia has already incorporated the changes in the Mass.

God bless.
Anathama Sit
 
I also heard from a priest in South Africa they are using it as well.
 
RedDuke50 said:
Has the Mass changed already? I heard about this a few months ago and thought it was going to take a long time but people sound like it already did.

If it did change, what is different?

Thank you
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In England and Wales we will begin using the revised Ordinary of the Mass on the weekend of Saturday/Sunday 3rd/4th September. We will begin using the Propers on the weekend of Saturday/Sunday 26th/27th November. Of course, the Readings aren’t changing.
 
I presume when I am on vacation in England, and will attend a Catholic Sunday Mass there that the responses will be the same as the USA who will start doing them the 1st weekend of Advent, am I right…
 
MissRose73 said:
I presume when I am on vacation in England, and will attend a Catholic Sunday Mass there that the responses will be the same as the USA who will start doing them the 1st weekend of Advent, am I right…
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It depends. If/when are you coming on vacation?

There’s three parts to be considered: the Ordinary of the Mass, the Propers (Collect, Prayer Over the Gifts, Post-communion Prayer), and the Readings (First Reading, [Second Reading], and Gospel).

Let’s dispose of the Readings. They come from the Lectionary. That hasn’t been revised so they won’t change.

The Ordinary and the Propers have changed. If I understand the situation correctly in USA, you will start using both on 1st Sunday of Advent, November 2011. In England & Wales, our bishops have decided that the revised translation of the Ordinary will come into use next weekend: the first weekend in September. The revised Propers will be used frm the first weekend in November.

So, if you’re in England or Wales in September or October you’ll find the responses different from the ones you’re using in the USA.
 
RedDuke50 said:
Has the Mass changed already? I heard about this a few months ago and thought it was going to take a long time but people sound like it already did.

If it did change, what is different?

Thank you
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👋 hello! i believe the new Mass will begin at Advent. some parishes are putting the changes in the weekly bulletins and my parish has been having classes for people to attend who want to learn about and be prepared for the new liturgy changes.
 
RedDuke50 said:
What are the Ordinary and Propers?
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The Ordinary is the part of the Mass that does not change or which varies a little. For example, the Ordinary starts with the Introductory Rites: “In the name of the Father …”, then the greeting and response, the penitential rite, the Kyrie if it is to be used, then the Gloria if it is to be used. These are followed by the Opening Prayer/Collect. Then comes the Liturgy of the Word: First reading, Responsorial Psalm, [Second Reading], Alleluia, Gospel, [Homily], [Creed], Prayer of the Faithful. I hope this explains what the Ordinary is.

The Propers are those parts of the Mass that change according to the Mass that is being celebrated: Entrance Antiphon, Opening Prayer/Collect, Prayer Over the Gifts, Communion Antiphon, and Post-communion Prayer.

Some parts that do change are still part of the Ordinary, e.g. the Preface.

The Readings are proper too but are often considered separately as the ‘Readings’.

I hope this brief description helps.
 
RedDuke50 said:
Has the Mass changed already? I heard about this a few months ago and thought it was going to take a long time but people sound like it already did.

If it did change, what is different?

Thank you
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No, the New Missal will be effective starting on the FIrst SUnday of Advent.

It will be more taxinf=g for the priest since there are diffderent translations.

JESUS I TRUST IN YOU

jb
 
I will be there just after X-mas time.

Will those in England respond differently compared to Americans at Mass, or will it be uniform in terms of responses like the “And with your spirit”, etc
Matthew_Holford said:
It depends. If/when are you coming on vacation?

There’s three parts to be considered: the Ordinary of the Mass, the Propers (Collect, Prayer Over the Gifts, Post-communion Prayer), and the Readings (First Reading, [Second Reading], and Gospel).

Let’s dispose of the Readings. They come from the Lectionary. That hasn’t been revised so they won’t change.

The Ordinary and the Propers have changed. If I understand the situation correctly in USA, you will start using both on 1st Sunday of Advent, November 2011. In England & Wales, our bishops have decided that the revised translation of the Ordinary will come into use next weekend: the first weekend in September. The revised Propers will be used frm the first weekend in November.

So, if you’re in England or Wales in September or October you’ll find the responses different from the ones you’re using in the USA.
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MissRose73 said:
I will be there just after X-mas time.

Will those in England respond differently compared to Americans at Mass, or will it be uniform in terms of responses like the “And with your spirit”, etc
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A small part of the goal of the retranslation is to have a single translation of the people’s parts in the Mass throughout the English speaking world. It seems that Rome has held to that point quite well. Even in my Archdiocese, which has never used the “Our Father who art in heaven” form of the Pater Noster (we use a slightly non-ICEL modern version: Our Father in heaven, holy be your name…), is supposed to switch to the traditional English form of the Pater on the first weekend of September.

So the responses will be exactly the same, barring any differences in pronunciation.
 
MissRose73 said:
I will be there just after X-mas time.

Will those in England respond differently compared to Americans at Mass, or will it be uniform in terms of responses like the “And with your spirit”, etc
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As far as I am aware you should find no differences. With reference to your example, yes, we are changing “And also with you” to “And with your spirit”. The only difference you might notice is in some spellings: we will use British spellings not American ones. I have attached a copy of the new Order of Mass from our National Liturgy Office. I cannot find one that gives just the new order. This one has the 1973 text on the left and the 2011 text on the right.
 
peregrinus_sg said:
(we use a slightly non-ICEL modern version: …** holy be your name.**…), is supposed to switch to the traditional English form of the Pater on the first weekend of September.
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FWIW, it seems to me that that that would be a more faithful translation of the Latin sanctificetur nomen tuum. The “traditional” form is not from the Old English si ðin nama gehalgod but corrupted from the Middle English form halwid be þi name;
 
peregrinus_sg said:
(we use a slightly non-ICEL modern version: …** holy be your name.**…), is supposed to switch to the traditional English form of the Pater on the first weekend of September.
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FWIW, it seems to me that that that would be a more faithful translation of the Latin sanctificetur nomen tuum. The “traditional” form is not from the Old English si ðin nama gehalgod but metamorphosized from the Middle English form halwid be þi name.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
As far as I am aware you should find no differences. With reference to your example, yes, we are changing “And also with you” to “And with your spirit”. The only difference you might notice is in some spellings: we will use British spellings not American ones. I have attached a copy of the new Order of Mass from our National Liturgy Office. I cannot find one that gives just the new order. This one has the 1973 text on the left and the 2011 text on the right.
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Thank you for the link, I will have to take a look at it as there isn’t going to be much time between the time the Americans have the change the 1st week of Advent and the time I will be on holiday in the UK (just after Xmas)…
 
Galveston-Houston has been give the green light to start phasing in the changes, if we wish, with a deadline of Advent to effect all the changes.
 
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