The Meaning of "Angelic Tongues"

[plan19]

RSV translation of the verse is as follows:

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

The corresponding Koine Greek is as follows:

13:1 Ἐὰν ταῖς γλώσσαις τῶν ἀνθρώπων λαλῶ καὶ τῶν ἀγγέλων ἀγάπην δὲ μὴ ἔχω γέγονα χαλκὸς ἠχῶν ἢ κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

Now… here’s the trick. Ready? I’ll prove it. Tongues means “languages” and not “incoherent babbling”.

The word we want to focus on in the Greek is γλῶσσα.

Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance has this to say on the matter:
strongsnumbers.com/greek/1100.htm

tongue.

Of uncertain affinity; the tongue; by implication, a language (specially, one naturally unacquired) – tongue.

So glossa means your actual physical tongue in your mouth, or an actual language.

So what does Scripture say about glossolalia?

Matthew 6:7 In praying, do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words.

The Greek?
Προσευχόμενοι δὲ μὴ βαττολογήσητε, ὥσπερ οἱ ἐθνικοί δοκοῦσιν γὰρ ὅτι ἐν τῇ πολυλογίᾳ αὑτῶν εἰσακουσθήσονται

See that word right there? βαττολογήσητε? It is translated in most versions of the bible as “babble”. I don’t accept this translation, because what we’re looking at is a form of the root word Βάττος, which means, literally, “to stammer”.

The word came into being when a poor soul by the name of King Battus of Cyrene with a severe childhood speech impediment came into public focus. When he got nervous, he would babble nonsense. His NAME became the word used to describe someone who spoke nonsense.

Got it?

Just because you call something a language doesn’t make it one. The truth of the matter is that the word best used to describe “glossolalia” is “βαττολογήσητε”… because just like poor King Battus… they speak nonsense.

=)

 

[God4me]

I don’t mean to be picky, but do you have a source for this? i.e., do you read Greek, or do you have a reference to link to, from someone credible who does? Could you reference the Greek word, and explain it?

You may be right, of course. I freely admit I don’t know Greek, and I’m amenable to correction. But I guess I’m not inclined to believe you just because you say so.

I have Hebrew and Greek Bible dictionaries, Also Hebrew and Greek key study Bibles

 

[God4me]

RSV translation of the verse is as follows:

The corresponding Koine Greek is as follows:

Now… here’s the trick. Ready? I’ll prove it. Tongues means “languages” and not “incoherent babbling”.

The word we want to focus on in the Greek is γλῶσσα.

Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance has this to say on the matter:
strongsnumbers.com/greek/1100.htm

So glossa means your actual physical tongue in your mouth, or an actual language.

So what does Scripture say about glossolalia?

Matthew 6:7 In praying, do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words.

The Greek?
Προσευχόμενοι δὲ μὴ βαττολογήσητε, ὥσπερ οἱ ἐθνικοί δοκοῦσιν γὰρ ὅτι ἐν τῇ πολυλογίᾳ αὑτῶν εἰσακουσθήσονται

See that word right there? βαττολογήσητε? It is translated in most versions of the bible as “babble”. I don’t accept this translation, because what we’re looking at is a form of the root word Βάττος, which means, literally, “to stammer”.

The word came into being when a poor soul by the name of King Battus of Cyrene with a severe childhood speech impediment came into public focus. When he got nervous, he would babble nonsense. His NAME became the word used to describe someone who spoke nonsense.

Got it?

Just because you call something a language doesn’t make it one. The truth of the matter is that the word best used to describe “glossolalia” is “βαττολογήσητε”… because just like poor King Battus… they speak nonsense.

=)

Tongues does mean language, A heavanly language

 

[plan19]

Tongues does mean language, A heavanly language

All this talk of your fluency in Koine Greek and THIS is what you respond with?

So you’re telling me that if I tape record ten people speaking in “tongues” saying the "our father" that those ten people will say exactly the same thing since they are supposedly speaking in an actual, extant language? Because a language will have nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, prepositions, articles, and the like… along with, of course, actual sentence structure.

If it’s missing those things… then you’re babbling just like good ol’ King Babbus did.