The Meaning of Bodily Resurrection

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robsully said:
The only reason God denied Moses’s request is that it would cause his death. Not a matter of rushing things.
Was Jesus not capable of protecting Moses from death?
If death was to take Moses why not resurrect him? He resurrected Lazarus why not Moses?
New question- Why not appear to Moses as Jesus in the flesh as He did in the N.T. ?
Thank you for taking time to answer my earlier post
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Sounds like the question some Jews asked when Jesus went to see the dead Lazarus: “Could He not have done that Lazarus would not die?” Could He not this? Could He not that? Why is there suffering? Could He not have done that none would suffer and die at all? Could He not have done that Adam and Eve would never have sinned? Your eyes are on the holes, not on the tissue!
 
Ben_Masada said:
Where did I find my answer! What do you mean? From my understanding of Jewish thought. If the Jews wrote the Bible, I think we have the best method to interpret it. If you expected me to quote someone else, it would be only the opinion of another man. All I had to do was to think.
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And why did you want to leave out the commentaries of the Sages of Israel and of more recent rabbis? Were you afraid that their thoughts would not be your own even if you agreed fully with them? Are you insecure so as to tell what your thoughts are built from?
 
If you shared the opinion of someone else, would it not still be your opinion?
 
Ben, does a notion such as Olam Ha-Ba mean something to you? Have you ever read what Judaism actually says about afterlife? I suggest you would go to the thread “A Question For Jews” and click on the links provided by Kaninchen through the word “here” repeated, if you haven’t been on those links before. I found them quite interesting.
 
Lapell said:
Ben, does a notion such as Olam Ha-Ba mean something to you? Have you ever read what Judaism actually says about afterlife? I suggest you would go to the thread “A Question For Jews” and click on the links provided by Kaninchen through the word “here” repeated, if you haven’t been on those links before. I found them quite interesting.
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Yes, Olam haba means the grave. That’s why we usually say that in the world to come or “baolam haba” there is a place for all human beings even Gentiles, because we all without exception will end up there. Judaism does not preach about afterlife, because Jews don’t believe in afterlife, except for some superstitious Jews from the unlearnt masses.
 
Lapell said:
And why did you want to leave out the commentaries of the Sages of Israel and of more recent rabbis? Were you afraid that their thoughts would not be your own even if you agreed fully with them? Are you insecure so as to tell what your thoughts are built from?
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How would it help you to quote the opinions of other people if you don’t have their literature to compare? So, I use the Scriptures because everyone has one in his home.
 
Ben_Masada said:
How would it help you to quote the opinions of other people if you don’t have their literature to compare? So, I use the Scriptures because everyone has one in his home.
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Maybe, but it would show us that you haven’t said all you said just “out of the blue”… and those who can find a Talmud in a library (there is one in our city’s university library, for instance) could check it out.
 
Lapell said:
Maybe, but it would show us that you haven’t said all you said just “out of the blue”… and those who can find a Talmud in a library (there is one in our city’s university library, for instance) could check it out.
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Sorry if I am mistaken, but I doubt if it would be productive the time spent to check something in the Talmud. Besides, my Judaism is more Biblical than Rabbinical, although I do respect the fences Rabbinical Judaism build to make the Law less probable to be broken.
 
Ben_Masada said:
Sorry if I am mistaken, but I doubt if it would be productive the time spent to check something in the Talmud. Besides, my Judaism is more Biblical than Rabbinical, although I do respect the fences Rabbinical Judaism build to make the Law less probable to be broken.
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Oh, it would, I think! For one thing, one of us could confirm your quote if anything. And even if none confirms anything, some people would know you didn’t make it up…
 
Ben_Masada said:
Yes, Olam haba means the grave. That’s why we usually say that in the world to come or “baolam haba” there is a place for all human beings even Gentiles, because we all without exception will end up there. Judaism does not preach about afterlife, because Jews don’t believe in afterlife, except for some superstitious Jews from the unlearnt masses.
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These “superstitious” Jews seem to be quite many, and not all of them are “unlearnt”!
 
Would you say that the links which Kaninchen refered to in “A question for Jews” were produced by 'unlearned" people?
 
Ben_Masada said:
JMJ_coder;5275851:
And so the circle comes round. We’ve been at this spot a couple pages ago. Lets recap:

Do you have any new question to ask? If you repeat the same comments over and over again, what do you expect if not the same reply over?
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Ditto.

But anyways, here’s a tangential question (at least it was about 10 pages ago :p):

If there is no supernaturality in this world and no afterlife – what’s the point of Judaism (or any religion at all)?
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Ben_Masada said:
The Gentile converts to the Jewish Sect of the Nazarenes would become fully Jewish with all the requirements of circumcision and dietary laws. But as Paul robbed the Nazarenes of their converts, he would persuade them that they didn’t have to become Jewish to be disciples. Then, the Apostles gave those converts up and reverted them to their condition of Gentiles if they wanted to go after Paul.
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Whatever. :rolleyes:
 
Ben_Masada said:
To begin with, there is no such a thing as Old Testament. This is an antisemitic misnomer, which has given rise to Replacement Theology. Then, it does not matter how much you guys plagiarize from the Tanach. You will never legally be able to claim Jewish origin. Too Hellenistic to be Jewish.
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You just like throwing that word around – anti-Semitic. If all else fails, accuse them of being a racist. :rolleyes:
 
Ben_Masada said:
Sorry if I am mistaken, but I doubt if it would be productive the time spent to check something in the Talmud. Besides, my Judaism is more Biblical than Rabbinical, although I do respect the fences Rabbinical Judaism build to make the Law less probable to be broken.
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I’m beginning to understand where you’re coming from very well now (though I still completely disagree with you).
 
Hello again and thank you for your comments and ,of course, your patients.

Ben I, as a Gentile, found your answer to my first post both profound and interesting.My second request came from a desire to learn more. I am sorry if it offended you.

Lapell thank you for your reply. It may seem that I am fixated on a small issue but let me explain.

I find much about God by what He will do for us and what He will not do for us and why.
Who knows more about human nature than God, He did create us?
And that creation is curious. We seek knowledge and in doing so we question.

The questions I asked do not have an endless amount of possible answers. Some of those anwsers are that Jesus could not protect Moses due to interferring in the laws of nature. Same for resurrection. And for Jesus appearing in human form perhaps God does not appear as human? Or perhaps the trinity does not exisit?
Or “I don’t know”. It is an answer.
But if the anwser is “to have faith” then I feel it belittles human nature and therefore belittles the one who created this nature.

I am not disputing anyone’s beliefs, just questioning in hopes of learning.

Once again thank you
 
Lapell said:
Oh, it would, I think! For one thing, one of us could confirm your quote if anything. And even if none confirms anything, some people would know you didn’t make it up…
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**That’s exactly your problem and the problem of others here. You guys don’t confirm my quotes, which explains why you guys keep asking the same questions over and over again. **
 
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