"The meek shall inherit the earth"?

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Hi!
I am an 18 year old ex-jehovah’s witness who may become catholic when i get to college.
Recently, ive been having discussions with a jw about how more than 144,000 go to heaven. This person keeps quoting psalm 37:11 as proof that people will live on earth after armageddon. It says: “but the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace.” (niv). I also know jesus quoted this in his sermon on the mount.
I am just wondering how this scripture can be explained in agreement with catholic doctrine.
Thanks in advance! 🙂
 
This footnote is from the New American Bible, where the word often translated “earth” is translated “land”:.

Cf Psalm 37:11,". . . the meek shall possess the land." In the psalm “the land” means the land of Palestine; here it means the kingdom.
 
Thats from Matthew and the Beatitudes. Do a seach on the Beatitudes or better yet read “Jesus of Nazareth” by Pope Benedict XVI. He goes deeply into the Sermon on the Mount and the Beatitides. There relation to scripture, the commandments and the word of God.
 
Catholic Encyclopedia @ newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm

“At the opening of four seals, four horses appear. Their colour is white, black, red, and sallow, or green (chloros, piebald). They signify conquest, slaughter, dearth and death. The vision is taken from Zechariah 6:1-8. At the opening of the fifth seal the Seer beholds the martyrs that were slain and hears their prayers for the final triumph. At the opening of the sixth seal the predestined to glory are numbered and marked. The Seer beholds them divided into two classes. First, 144,000 Jews, 12,000 of every tribe. Then a numberless multitude chosen from all nations and tongues.”

Djd83,

Congratulations and prayers for your journey.

As you probably know, Catholicism is an Apolstolic Church over 2,000 years old. She is a Sacramental Church oriented toward Christ’s forgiveness of our sins in Reconciliation and the receiving of Jesus in the Eucharist.

I say this so that it helps to explain the mysteries of Revelation, the Wedding Feast of the Lamb.

I think it’s safe to generally say that as Catholics, we work on ourselves in the here and now, and that we leave the remainder of Revelation in the past. We don’t press forward the idea of the resurrection of Israel to bring about Armageddon in order to force the return to Christ.

I’d recommend Scott Hahn’s book, “The Lamb’s Supper: The Mass as Heaven on Earth.”

amazon.com/Lambs-Supper-Mass-Heaven-Earth/dp/0385496591/ref=pd_cp_b_0
 
Hi!
I am an 18 year old ex-jehovah’s witness who may become catholic when i get to college.
Recently, ive been having discussions with a jw about how more than 144,000 go to heaven. This person keeps quoting psalm 37:11 as proof that people will live on earth after armageddon. It says: “but the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace.” (niv). I also know jesus quoted this in his sermon on the mount.
I am just wondering how this scripture can be explained in agreement with catholic doctrine.
Thanks in advance! 🙂
Hi djd83: Eventually, our sun will start to expand and the earth will boil and become like Venus - dry, barren and hot as a furnace. Then at some point the earth will die with our sun. Of course, this is a strictly scientific expectation, but I don’t suspect that one tiny fleck of a planet in a small solar system on the edge of an average galaxy will escape the fate of countless trillions of other worlds. This limits the amount of time that people will be able to live on earth after Armageddon. I would bet my immortal soul on some other sort of existence and leave the earth to the people in Psalm 37:11. The earth only has a few billion years left, and the first 10 billion years after the earth is gone will be just the beginning of the time in which there is no earth. No plants, no animals, no oceans, no sun. No earth to cling to. Only darkness and silence. The light that is within you is that which has always been and always will be. The earth has no glory that compares to you, and there is nothing to fret.

Your friend,
Sufjon
 
=djd83;7405152]Hi!
I am an 18 year old ex-jehovah’s witness who may become catholic when i get to college.
Recently, ive been having discussions with a jw about how more than 144,000 go to heaven. This person keeps quoting psalm 37:11 as proof that people will live on earth after armageddon. It says: “but the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace.” (niv). I also know jesus quoted this in his sermon on the mount.
I am just wondering how this scripture can be explained in agreement with catholic doctrine.
Thanks in advance! 🙂
***Greetings friend,

Read “meek” as humility…

Humility is the ONE virtue absolutely necessary to attain heaven.***

Ps.37: 11 “But the meek shall possess the land, and delight themselves in abundant prosperity.”

As is oen the case taking a verse out of context makes it so much easier to ditort; or at least to properly understand: Here we put it back into the authors entended message for you:

**Ps. 37: 3- 10 **“Trust in the LORD, and do good;so you will dwell in the land, and enjoy security. Take delight in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to the LORD; trust in him, and he will act. He will bring forth your vindication as the light, and your right as the noonday. Be still before the LORD, and wait patiently for him; fret not yourself over him who prospers in his way, over the man who carries out evil devices! Refrain from anger, and forsake wrath! Fret not yourself; it tends only to evil. For the wicked shall be cut off; but those who wait for the LORD shall possess the land. Yet a little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look well at his place, he will not be there.”

Notice my friend that HUMILITY is required in order to do each and every thing asked.

**Prov.22: 4 **T"he reward for humility and fear of the LORD is riches and honor and life."

**1Pet.5: 5 **"Likewise you that are younger be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

Prov.8: 13 “The fear of the LORD is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I [God] hate.”

**Prov.11: 2 **“When pride comes, then comes disgrace; but with the humble is wisdom.”

Isa.13: 11 "I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will put an end to the pride of the arrogant, and lay low the haughtiness of the ruthless.

4Ezra.11: 43 "And so your insolence has come up before the Most High, and your pride to the Mighty One. 4Ezra.15 18 “For because of their pride the cities shall be in confusion, the houses shall be destroyed, and people shall be afraid.”

**Mark 7: 20-23 **"And he said, “What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, **pride, **foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man.”

And here is what Haydock’s Catholic Commentary has to say:

Ver. 11.
Meek. Hebrew hanavim, also means "the afflicted." (Berthier) — Captives, ye shall be reinstated in your dear country. Our Saviour alludes to this text, **(Matthew v. 4.) **and the Fathers beautifully explain it of heaven. (Eusebius; St. Augustine) What is now become of those who have heretofore filled the world with tumult and bloodshed to obtain dominion! They are confined to the land where everlasting horror and on order dwells. They would wish they had never existed, as our Saviour mentions; while those who passed through life unknown, or despised, but always seeking God, are now arrived at the summit of all their wishes.

And from ***Strong’s Concordance ***“Meek” in Hebrew means " Result of search for “meek”:6035 `anav aw-nawv’ or (by intermixture with 6041) Aanayv {aw-nawv’}; from 6031; depressed (figuratively), in mind (gentle) or circumstances (needy, especially saintly):–humble, lowly, meek, poor. Compare 6041.

God’s continued Blessings,

If you’d like more help…PM me…
God Bless,
Pat

PJM
 
Eventually, our sun will start to expand and the earth will boil and become like Venus - dry, barren and hot as a furnace. Then at some point the earth will die with our sun. Of course, this is a strictly scientific expectation,
Here is my expectation:
That GOD has certain quota for our souls in this earthy life, once reached, JESUS will come back again then all souls will be judged and many will end in purgatory before making it to Heaven (which of course will not be in this earth anyway).
 
Here is my expectation:
That GOD has certain quota for our souls in this earthy life, once reached, JESUS will come back again then all souls will be judged and many will end in purgatory before making it to Heaven (which of course will not be in this earth anyway).
Sounds like a good plan to me! 🙂

Your friend,
Sufjon
 
I don’t know about the quota Sam, I believe He shoots for “all” always. And the one’s He lose’s? Well, He doesn’t take lightly I believe. You have me thinking though bro.

Anyway…

I don’t look at grey areas much, I tend to see in Black and White.

The Meek have a special place in the heart, for the simple reason we have seen the way they have been treated by the proud and ungrateful. Those who for some insane reason have a logic, that they are more significant, by reason of physical ability, human appearence, or mental capacity, are falsly lead to believe by satan, they are “special”! Its a Fools Path. And theres been no need for any of it. Lucifers mistake “is” the lesson.

The proud and the strong have been mistaken, they have not thought this through properly. Life is a LONG lesson in Humility. I have witnessed this constantly on this earth and it makes one’s stomach turn. Who will step foward and claim to be better than the next man? Honestly, its an ugly lesson in life I’d have rather missed.

I strongly urge all to reconsider their thinking on mankind, “while there is still a population of mankind”. The meek and the weak. and the sick and handicapped, the afflicted, the dying and terminally ill, how you treat them will determine “your” fate. Its the simple logic of reaping what you sow. 🤷

Anyway I thought I’d share while I felt moved to do so. Sorry if I bent your ear on ancient history.

This is an area there is no bending on. Theres no trade off, and no mans plan of better thinking. Its Gods Law. Period. So really at this point you either truly believe in the Word, or you don’t? There are no maybes, and I kind of believe. Here you come to grey areas again as I first mentioned. No grey, its black and white.

God Bless, Gary
 
=Sam_777;7406691]Here is my expectation:
That GOD has certain quota for our souls in this earthy life, once reached, JESUS will come back again then all souls will be judged and many will end in purgatory before making it to Heaven (which of course will not be in this earth anyway).
My dear friend,

Your position is a MORAL and Spiritual IMPOSSIBILITY if God is REALLY God [of which there is super abundant proof].

Your position deines the very way HUMANITY ALONE is created by God… With physical bodies AND Spiritual gifts of mind, intelect, freewill and souls. By having this conversation, evidence is given of there existence. WHERE DO THEY COME FROM IF NOT GOD? God who “is Spirit and Truth.”

And as are they like God Himself , Spiritual realities; does not God have an absolute RIGHT to dictate there use? Do do so denies Gods Goodness and humanites freewill.

Your positon is a restatemnt of Predistination. An absolute impossibility as it both denies God’s absolute and perfect GOODNESS and Humanities rights to use the Spiritual Gifts provided by a Just nd Good God; to personally choose to be saved or to refuse to be saved.

Thanks for posting your views!

Pat
 
Thanks to all for your (name removed by moderator)ut!
I think i understand now: The ‘earth’, or ‘land’ represents heaven figuratively, and in order to get there, we need to be meek, or humble.
Thank you! 🙂
 
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