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My sister has been quoting from “The Message” lately. It is s bible translated by a man named Eugene H. Peterson. I prefer the NAB bible and to look at explanation of passages written in the bible. Does anyone have any opinion on this bible?
 
My sister has been quoting from “The Message” lately. It is s bible translated by a man named Eugene H. Peterson. I prefer the NAB bible and to look at explanation of passages written in the bible. Does anyone have any opinion on this bible?
There’s a lot of things that separate “The Message” from something that’s more of an…actual…translation.

First, it’s a Bible translation by just one guy. That’s very unusual, especially in this day and age. Normally, you’ll have dozens of people working on each other’s work and groups of people that meet regularly over the course of several years just to discuss the different ways that interpreter bias might be affecting their work. They’ll usually acknowledge that any one person will have bias of some sort, but if there’s different kinds of people providing checks and balances against each other, it can mostly be cancelled out. The Message is just one guy, though. He’s pretty good with ancient languages, but it’s impossible for just one man to match the expertise of dozens of people who all have different strengths that they can bring to bear. Ie., maybe one translator will be particularly good with Hebrew poetry, and that’s his main focus. Another translator will be particularly good with Pauline epistles. That’s his strength, and he mostly works on that. Peterson’s pretty good, but it’s just impossible for one man to be extremely strong in every single kind of translation category.

Second, it’s an extreme paraphrase. It’s not even “thought for thought.” It goes well beyond that, and Peterson sometimes modernizes phrases in extremely obvious ways. It is very ancient text, so I think that kind of thing breaks up the flow.

Third, Peterson intended to come at this project much differently from a normal translation. Most translations will try to make sure every word (or at least every thought) is transferred from the original manuscript to the English copy of the Bible. Peterson felt that something was lost in this process, though. He’s well-versed in both ancient Greek and ancient Hebrew to the point where he’s pretty much fluent and can (as much as is possible) approximate what it was like for someone to read the Bible in the original language. Especially from a poetic standpoint, Peterson felt that some of that “feel” was lost. That’s why he decided to make “The Message”- it’s not even close to being word for word, but he tried to make it less “wooden” and more poetic. Free-flowing. Organic.

It’s Peterson’s attempt at allowing an English speaker to experience the Bible in the same way that Peterson does as someone who’s well-versed in ancient languages, and to a lesser extent, the people who origianlly read and heard these things. That was his intent, anyway.

As far as the Psalms go (and other passages that are particularly poetic), Peterson actually does a really good job. You don’t ever want to use The Message for serious Bible study, and you’ll want to find a better translation if you want to have a good idea of what the Bible actually says, but the poetic parts of The Message are worth taking a look at. That’s Peterson’s strong point, and I think he largely accomplishes his stated goal in those portions of Scripture. Other than that, though, the translation as a whole is less reliable than I’d like and I don’t necessarily think it’s the right move for him to try and make the entire Bible more poetic in its flow.

I have a copy of it because it was given to me as a gift, but I wouldn’t buy one and I don’t make regular use of it. I certainly don’t depend on it by any stretch of the imagination. There are certain parts that are enjoyable to read, though, and they’re worth taking a look at every once in awhile.

Anyway, that is my opinion on The Message.
 
My understanding was that The Message was done with the goal of making everything as understandable as possible. A side effect of this, as Cooterhein said, was that it isn’t very good for an indepth study.

I’ve never personally used or owned a copy so I don’t know how good it is for quick looks, with a few older exceptions I don’t find most bibles that hard to use for a quick glance.
 
I’ve only briefly looked at the version on the Biblegateway site. I might be mistaken but for some reason I have in my mind Peterson had Presbyterian ties? Could be wrong about that. I know my local UCC church uses it at their contemporay service and a priest at one of my local Catholic churches has before quoted a verse from it in their bulletin.
 
My sister has been quoting from “The Message” lately. It is s bible translated by a man named Eugene H. Peterson. I prefer the NAB bible and to look at explanation of passages written in the bible. Does anyone have any opinion on this bible?
I use the adjective bible is describing the Message very carefully. The Message is an attempt to “translate” the scriptures into contemporary language. In seminary, when I had to read the entire Old Testament in one semester, I was allowed to use the Message. I found it a horrible translation of scripture. Remember even the Message tells you it is a paraphrase. And a loose paraphrase at that. An attempt to make the scriptures relevant to some supposed market. Too much theology is lost in the paraphrase.

If someone is looking for a bible to explain scripture or to get a better grasp of scripture, forget the Message. Get a study Bible of your favorite translation, one where scripture is cross-referenced etc.

My copy of the Message, just found it, has not been touched since a class I taught at church in 2003. The dust and notes inside attest to the time.

Fr. Mark
 
My sister has been quoting from “The Message” lately. It is s bible translated by a man named Eugene H. Peterson. I prefer the NAB bible and to look at explanation of passages written in the bible. Does anyone have any opinion on this bible?
its a paraphrase, is it not? peace 🙂
 
Cooterhein’s analysis is about right, though we may differ on the conclusion. The Message is a paraphrase, but a very good paraphrase by an outstanding Greek and Hebrew scholar, who happens to be a minister in the most liberal main branch of Presbyterianism. And of course, he’s just one guy. I read it, enjoy it and learn from it, but I would not want to have to rely on it as my sole Bible. But I’m grateful we have it, because it’s very useful for what it is. 👍

I have a parallel Bible that’s NASB and The Message side-by-side, and that seems very well balanced. The NASB is probably the most literal translation, so faithful to the Greek that some Greek students use it to sort of cheat, but sometimes wooden and a little awkward in English, so having The Message there to help explain it is wonderful. OTOH, when Peterson goes off into one of his flights of fancy, there’s the solid if wooden and awkward NASB right there to keep the reader grounded.
 
This thread has got me comparing a few verses of The Message on biblegateway to other bibles. It kind of reminds me of the Cotten Patch Bible (rockhay.org/cottonpatch/index.htm), also done by one man but incomplete.

It also seems it could have been just as easily based off a pre-existing English version as the original Hebrew/Greek.
 
This thread has got me comparing a few verses of The Message on biblegateway to other bibles. It kind of reminds me of the Cotten Patch Bible (rockhay.org/cottonpatch/index.htm), also done by one man but incomplete.

It also seems it could have been just as easily based off a pre-existing English version as the original Hebrew/Greek.
The Cotton Patch Bible is another outstanding paraphrase, but unlike The Massage, into American Southern dialect rather than standard English. It was done by a Southern preacher mainly for the benefit of his own flock. I don’t know how much of a Hebrew/Greek scholar he was, or even if it was based on the original languages.
 
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