The Messiah will fear God?

[Tis_Bearself]

Again, Jesus was speaking to brand new Christians who had to get used to the idea that they should place obedience to God above obediance to Romans and others who might kill them. Scripture needs to be read in context, not cherry-picked like the Protestants do.

While I strive to have awe, respect, and “holy fear” for God, my relationship with him is not based on a fear that he will cast me into Hell any more than my relationship with my own earthly father was based on a fear that he would beat me or throw me out of his home. That doesn’t mean that I thought it was okay to just go do whatever I wanted, but it did mean that I was more concerned with loving and not disppointing my father rather than avoiding punishment.

 

[Vico]

Vico:

That fear of damnation and other penalties of sin is actually good.

It’s good as an initial step, but if you stay stuck there, you will not progress spiritually.

I don’t mean this as a brag, but I passed that initial step a few years ago and would like to move on to more love of God, which doesn’t happen if I’m sitting around obsessing about sin. Perhaps for someone else, this type of thinking is useful. For me, at this point, not so much.

Loving God above all else is certainly the ideal.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Again, Jesus was speaking to brand new Christians who had to get used to the idea that they should place obedience to God above obediance to Romans and others who might kill them.

The Apostles weren’t brand new Christians.

And this advice continued even in the later books of Scripture.

For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hebrews 10:26‭-‬31 RSV

Loving God and having a healthy fear of Him aren’t mutually exclusive. You’re likely to sin less if you remember Heaven and Hell.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

The Apostles weren’t brand new Christians.

I beg to differ with you on that point!

They were not only the first Christians, but they had been at it for less than 3 years and it was all a new faith at that point. 3 years is nothing.

I think at this point it’s best to just mute as I do not know what you’re trying to get at by posting all this Scripture at me and you seem to be willfully missing my points. God bless.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

They were not only the first Christians, but they had been at it for less than 3 years and it was all a new faith at that point. 3 years is nothing.

They had prep from John the Baptist. Not exactly brand new.

I think at this point it’s best to just mute as I do not know what you’re trying to get at by posting all this Scripture at me and you seem to be willfully missing my points.

Do that. I could easily say the same about you.

 

[bob4]

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” Ps 111:10
Footnote on this verse as follows;
The fear of the Lord: reverence for God; the Hebrew term for “religion.”

New American Bible
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