The Messianic Temple in Ezekiel

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Are this the same protestants that want a Jewish temple to be built on the Temple mount ?
Hi!

…I think these are the “pre-tribulation” and other rapture theology followers… they think that if they hurry up and “rebuild” the Temple they will cause/help usher in the Judgement Day.

…remember the old adage: 'be careful of what you ask for, ‘cause you might get it?’

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi!

…I think these are the “pre-tribulation” and other rapture theology followers… they think that if they hurry up and “rebuild” the Temple they will cause/help usher in the Judgement Day.

…remember the old adage: 'be careful of what you ask for, ‘cause you might get it?’

Maran atha!

Angel
Dosent that make them antichrists ?
 
Hi!

…I think these are the “pre-tribulation” and other rapture theology followers… they think that if they hurry up and “rebuild” the Temple they will cause/help usher in the Judgement Day.

…remember the old adage: 'be careful of what you ask for, ‘cause you might get it?’

Maran atha!

Angel
I think you may have a good point there.

I was just reading where Jewish people believe the Messiah can’t come until the Temple is rebuilt, so that’s their hurry to rebuild.
 
I think you may have a good point there.

I was just reading where Jewish people believe the Messiah can’t come until the Temple is rebuilt, so that’s their hurry to rebuild.
And their Messiah will be anti-Christ ?
 
Are this the same protestants that want a Jewish temple to be built on the Temple mount ?
That’s what I was just thinking, also I read somewhere the LDS church is planning a temple in Jerusalem at some point believing it to be the restored temple.
 
And their Messiah will be anti-Christ ?
I think their Messiah will be the same Messiah we believe in. We will see it as his 2nd coming though.

I don’t think we should accept as fact the end-time scenarios that are currently so popular–mostly put forth by Evangelicals who teach these as truths. We just can’t know the step-by-step events that will occur.

Here’s a short explanation about the anti-christ:
catholic.com/qa/who-or-what-is-the-anti-christ

and a quote from the last paragraph:
the Church has made no formal definition on the matter, so Catholics are free to hold that the Antichrist was or will be an individual, a group of people, or a particularly wicked era.
 
Dosent that make them antichrists ?
Hi!

…it is said that certain species have a very short memory span… man’s may be longer but not wiser…

The problem with zealousness about “helping” God is that man comes to the wrong conclusions and commits to them… Sarah thought she was helping when she commanded her servant to lie with Abraham… the son of the Promise was to be Isaac but man could not understand that at the moment of his “I’m helping God” phase.

I believe it is the same for these folks; zealousness for “helping God” blinds them to what they are doing and to God’s True Intentions with His Salvific Plan:
2 He said to them in reply, ‘You see all these? I tell you solemnly, not a single stone here will be left on another: everything will be destroyed.’
(St. Matthew 24:2)
…so it is not so much as opposing God as it is ignorance and bullheadedness; does God intend to reconstitute the old economy of the Old Covenant and can the Old Covenant supersede the New Covenant?:
21 Jesus said: ‘Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know: for salvation comes from the Jews. 23 But the hour will come –** in fact it is here already **
– when true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth: that is the kind of worshipper the Father wants. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship must worship in spirit and truth.’ (St. John 4:21-24)
If pre-tribs and other rapture derivative followers, as well as the rest of Christendom (and the world) would heed Scriptures God’s Revelation would be way clearer:

We are the Temple of the Living God as we are United in Christ and to Christ:
22 I saw that there was no temple in the city since the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb were themselves the temple, 23 and the city did not need the sun or the moon for light, since it was lit by the radiant glory of God and the Lamb was a lighted torch for it.
(Apocalypse [Revelation] 21:22-23)
…coincidentally, the above gives us a clearer understanding of:
12 When Jesus spoke to the people again, he said: ‘I am the light of the world; anyone who follows me will not be walking in the dark; he will have the light of life’.
(St. John 8:12)
Pre-tribers and others may well be serving the creature (anti-Christ) when they think that they are serving Christ (which Scriptures also warns about: St. Matthew 7:21-23).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I think you may have a good point there.

I was just reading where Jewish people believe the Messiah can’t come until the Temple is rebuilt, so that’s their hurry to rebuild.
Hi!

…because the Jews missed the boat (they rejected Jesus as the Messiah) they are still operating from the Old Covenant prophecy:
1 The mountain of the Temple of Yahweh will be put on top of the mountains and be lifted higher than the hills. The peoples will stream to it, 2 nations without number will come to it; and they will say, ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of Yahweh, to the Temple of the God of Jacob so that he may teach us his ways and we may walk in his paths; since from Zion the Law will go out, and the oracle of Yahweh from Jerusalem.’ 3 He will wield authority over many peoples and arbitrate for mighty nations; they will hammer their swords into ploughshares, their spears into sickles. Nation will not lift sword against nation, there will be no more training for war.
(Micah 4:1-3)
This of course is exactly what Jesus did (St. Matthew 5 thru 6–specifically 5:48 and 6:33); He Brought the Kingdom of God to earth.

…and;
1 Look, I am going to send my messenger to prepare a way before me. And the Lord you are seeking will suddenly enter his Temple; and the angel of the covenant whom you are longing for, yes, he is coming, says Yahweh Sabaoth.
(Malachi 3:1)
Yet, Israel could not see, she could not understand that the Lord she was longing for would Love her so much that He Himself would Come to the Temple:
9 The Word was the true light that enlightens all men; and he was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world that had its being through him, and the world did not know him. 11 He came to his own domain and his own people did not accept him. 12 But to all who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to all who believe in the name of him 13 who was born not out of human stock or urge of the flesh or will of man but of God himself. 14 The Word was made flesh, he lived among us*b], and we saw his glory, the glory that is his as the only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.
(St. John 1:9-14–see also Romans 11:25-32)
…so, as the pre-tribers, the Jews are listening to their hearts instead of to Yahweh God’s Heart!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
He couldn’t possibly be our Messiah, if he rebuilds the temple on the temple mount ?
Hi!

…no; it is their “understanding” that the Messiah has yet to come… since there’s specific mention of ‘the Lord Coming to the Temple’ they see an exigency in “rebuilding the Temple.”

…it fully escapes them that: 1) we are the Temple of the Living God, and 2) the Father and the Lamb are the Temple of the New Jerusalem!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Some Christians must have taken the execution of Peter and Paul, the destruction of the Temple and fall of Jerusalem, as signs of Christ’s return ?
 
We all know about the Old and New Covenants, and how the Old Covenant was abrogated in Christ according to the book of Hebrews. The question is, if the Old Covenant was abrogated, then why do we have a messianic temple in Ezekiel that has animal sacrifices being offered?
I think your problem is you think Ezekiel is in the New Testament. It is not. It is in the Old Testament.

Before Christ.
 
I think it is an interesting development in any event that there is a group actively preparing for a new temple by preparing the sacred vessels and such. If I am ever in Jerusalem, I will certainly visit their museum.
 
I think it is an interesting development in any event that there is a group actively preparing for a new temple by preparing the sacred vessels and such. If I am ever in Jerusalem, I will certainly visit their museum.
I was very privileged to have visited this museum earlier this year. It’s certainly a highlight of Jerusalem. Very highly recommended.
 
Some Christians must have taken the execution of Peter and Paul, the destruction of the Temple and fall of Jerusalem, as signs of Christ’s return ?
Hi!

…I think they took deduced this (as wrong an interpretation as it was) from Christ’s own Word:
28 I tell you solemnly, there are some of these standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming with his kingdom.’
(St. Matthew 16:28)

16 ‘In a short time you will no longer see me, and then a short time later you will see me again.’ (St. John 16:16)
I believe that a misunderstanding of such Revelations as above may have given the Apostles the erroneous cause to think that Jesus’ Parousia would in deed be within their lifetime.

…but it was not an offshoot belief; we can find Scriptures pointing to this… as well as the correction of the belief that Jesus had already Come or that there had to have been some sort of delay; many started to waver away from the Faith as false teachers would inject God’s tardiness:
8 But there is one thing, my friends, that you must never forget: that with the Lord, ‘a day’ can mean a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. 9 The Lord is not being slow to carry out his promises, as anybody else might be called slow; but he is being patient with you all, wanting nobody to be lost and everybody to be brought to change his ways. 10 The Day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then with a roar the sky will vanish, the elements will catch fire and fall apart, the earth and all that it contains will be burnt up. 11 Since everything is coming to an end like this, you should be living holy and saintly lives.
(2 St. Peter 3:8-11)
Now, did you note how St. Peter brings to the foreground what is truly important (v 11)? The day and hour is not what is important since the end will come regardless of the length of time in God’s schedule… what is truly important is that we should be living holy and saintly lives!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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