The Metamorphose of Apollos

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Danno2281 said:
You have only substantiated that you, unlike those Jews who formulated the Shmoma Esre, have adopted The Sadducean viewpoint, by making the scriptures mean what you say that they mean. It must be very lonely for you.
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You are frustrated because I can’t find mean for your views in the Scriptures that Jesus used to handle. Sorry my friend but Jesus was Jewish and not Christian.
 
Danno2281 said:
“The superstitious among the masses”? You mean, of course, those who use the non-Reform version of the Shmona Esre,those like Gamaliel II. Somehow that superstitious rabbi has come to be known as “Rabban.” How, I wonder could so many sages be so mistake? How could they disagree with b. Masada? So very sad.
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Okay, prove that they disagreed with me.
 
Ben_Masada said:
You are frustrated because I can’t find mean for your views in the Scriptures that Jesus used to handle. Sorry my friend but Jesus was Jewish and not Christian.
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I an certainly not frustrated, but I’m certain that OIrthodox lantzmen could get very frustrated with you.
 
Ben,

Do the Jews pray for their dead in their daily prayers? If so, why?
 
Danno2281 said:
I an certainly not frustrated, but I’m certain that OIrthodox lantzmen could get very frustrated with you.
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I am not sure you know what you are talking about. Let us bring our messages about Judaism to any Orthodox Jew and see whom he will listen to. I think you are trying to be funny.
 
Ben_Masada said:
I am not sure you know what you are talking about. Let us bring our messages about Judaism to any Orthodox Jew and see whom he will listen to. I think you are trying to be funny.
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I have no desire to be humorous with one who ridicules my beliefs as you did in the forum “Were there two Jesuses” Let’s ask any Orthodox rabbi about the resurrection of the dead or about the Messiah being an individual and you will find that my belief is closer to his than yours. Have you noticed where I live? Have you any idea how much of this I have discussed with Jews, Orthodox, formerly Orthodox (less reluctant to give the Orthodox view on some things) and others?
 
Danno2281 said:
I have no desire to be humorous with one who ridicules my beliefs as you did in the forum “Were there two Jesuses” Let’s ask any Orthodox rabbi about the resurrection of the dead or about the Messiah being an individual and you will find that my belief is closer to his than yours. Have you noticed where I live? Have you any idea how much of this I have discussed with Jews, Orthodox, formerly Orthodox (less reluctant to give the Orthodox view on some things) and others?
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The offending post in that forum has been removed, along with my response to the blasphemy.
 
Danno2281 said:
I have no desire to be humorous with one who ridicules my beliefs as you did in the forum “Were there two Jesuses” Let’s ask any Orthodox rabbi about the resurrection of the dead or about the Messiah being an individual and you will find that my belief is closer to his than yours. Have you noticed where I live? Have you any idea how much of this I have discussed with Jews, Orthodox, formerly Orthodox (less reluctant to give the Orthodox view on some things) and others?
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**My beliefs are juxtaposed to the Scriptures and not to Rabbinical Judaism. Your lack of Biblical knowledge is what is making you frustrated. BTW, is it the reason why I was reported: Lack of expertise to handle the Scriptures? That’s sad! **
 
NotWorthy said:
To me this means, “I know what Scripture means better than the Rabbi’s that lived in ancient Israel”. Interesting.
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I’ve accepted his challenge:

Originally Posted by Ben Masada
I am not sure you know what you are talking about. Let us bring our messages about Judaism to any Orthodox Jew and see whom he will listen to. I think you are trying to be funny.

Now he concedes my point that he has less in common with mainstream Judaiism than we do in the matter of resurrection and Messiahship. We are arguing with a community of one. I am finished with him.
 
Ben_Masada said:
**My beliefs are juxtaposed to the Scriptures and not to Rabbinical Judaism. Your lack of Biblical knowledge is what is making you frustrated. BTW, is it the reason why I was reported: Lack of expertise to handle the Scriptures? That’s sad! **
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You were reported for blaspheming a central truth of my religion and you know it. Why the pretended ignorance? More intellectual dishonesty. You are an unworthy disputant. Adieu.
 
Danno2281 said:
You were reported for blaspheming a central truth of my religion and you know it. Why the pretended ignorance? More intellectual dishonesty. You are an unworthy disputant. Adieu.
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That’s really sad! But you don’t surprise me. Many, like you, jump to the chance to convert a non-Catholic, but when they find out the prospect is a Jew, they vanish frustrated for being unable to match the Scriptural knowledge. Admit it Danno, you don’t have what it takes to stand before a member of the Faith of Jesus, which was Judaism.
 
NotWorthy said:
To me this means, “I know what Scripture means better than the Rabbi’s that lived in ancient Israel”. Interesting.
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Do you want to know something, NotWorthy? You are not too far from the truth by saying the above. Two throusand years of expsure to Biblical understanding, it’s a lot possible that we know today more and better that the Rabbis that lived in ancient Israel. Now, I understand that "From Moses (Rabeinu) to Moses (Rambam)
the second Moses knew much better than the first, given the span of time between them.
Care to acknowledge understanding of what I say?
 
Ben_Masada said:
Do you want to know something, NotWorthy? You are not too far from the truth by saying the above. Two throusand years of expsure to Biblical understanding, it’s a lot possible that we know today more and better that the Rabbis that lived in ancient Israel. Now, I understand that "From Moses (Rabeinu) to Moses (Rambam)
the second Moses knew much better than the first, given the span of time between them.
Care to acknowledge understanding of what I say?
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But methinks something more is at play. The ancient Jewish rabbis spoke and read Hebrew and Greek as first and second languages. They also had access to numerous texts on Jewish faith and teaching that just aren’t available to us today. Hence, I think they have a little more in their favor. This is a common problem among Christian Bible exegetes today.

Also, I think you’ve demonstrated that you read all of Scripture through a colored lense that is strongly influencing your thinking and learning. You do obviously know your Scripture and have studied ancient teaching, but you’ve tended to put the cart before the horse… at least in my opinion.😉

With that said, I haven’t a clue who Rabeinu and Rambam are.
 
NotWorthy said:
But methinks something more is at play. The ancient Jewish rabbis spoke and read Hebrew and Greek as first and second languages. They also had access to numerous texts on Jewish faith and teaching that just aren’t available to us today. Hence, I think they have a little more in their favor. This is a common problem among Christian Bible exegetes today.

Also, I think you’ve demonstrated that you read all of Scripture through a colored lense that is strongly influencing your thinking and learning. You do obviously know your Scripture and have studied ancient teaching, but you’ve tended to put the cart before the horse… at least in my opinion.😉

With that said, I haven’t a clue who Rabeinu and Rambam are.
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Oh! I am sorry NotWorthy. The saying is so famous among us that I thought that learnt people from other religions would be acquainted with. Rabeinu means our Rabbi or our Master. And Rambam means Rabbi ben Maimon. Maimon was the father of Moses Maimonides. Therefore, “From Moses to Moses never rose another like Moses.” The first Moses is the one of the Exodus. The second Moses is this one born in Cordova in March 30, 1135. The last Moses in the sentence is up to the reader to figure which one was greater in knowledge. My opinion is the second Moses, given the span of time of acquired
knowledge. Besides, Maimonides was a great Philosopher, a great Theologian and a great
Medical Doctor.
 
Ben_Masada said:
Oh! I am sorry NotWorthy. The saying is so famous among us that I thought that learnt people from other religions would be acquainted with. Rabeinu means our Rabbi or our Master. And Rambam means Rabbi ben Maimon. Maimon was the father of Moses Maimonides. Therefore, “From Moses to Moses never rose another like Moses.” The first Moses is the one of the Exodus. The second Moses is this one born in Cordova in March 30, 1135. The last Moses in the sentence is up to the reader to figure which one was greater in knowledge. My opinion is the second Moses, given the span of time of acquired
knowledge. Besides, Maimonides was a great Philosopher, a great Theologian and a great
Medical Doctor.
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OK, that clears it up… uh, what’s the point?
 
Which reminds me, Ben. I was reading a study on Revelation (the Catholic NT book, not the subject in general), the other night and the author claimed that "Every day in the Temple in Jerusalem a bull was sacrificed for the Roman Emperor " (This is in Agape Bible Study’s study of Revelation). If you follow the link, do a search on “Bull” and you’ll find the quote I referenced.

Is this true and if so, why? BTW, I’m e-mailing the author of the study to find her facts for this statement as well. I’ll pass them on if you wish more details.
 
On another (and mostly irrelevant note), sometimes we need to celebrate the things we share, eh brother?

I’m not sure if you are familiar with the Catholic practice of the Liturgy of the Hours. I understand it follows the Jewish practice of the daily praying of the psalms. At a local retreat center, I’m able to attend the morning vespers a couple of times a week. During this time, we open the prayer in song “Oh Lord, open my Lips” - “And my mouth shall declare your praise”! We all sing psalm 95 (it might be 94 or 96 for you guys), then we sing a hymn (which varies each day), then we go through and sing 5 different psalms that vary daily. It goes on a 4 week cycle.

This is followed by a reading from Scripture, sometimes the Old Testament, sometimes the New. We then meditate in silence, focusing on the reading we just heard, for about 20-25 minutes.

To conclude our prayers, the Canticle of Zechariah (from the New Testament) and the Our Father (again, NT) are sung, some petitions are offered up, and then we pray for those among us and those absent.

The Catholic laity do this in the morning, noon, and evening. Although these people sing them, I think the vast majority of them simply pray them. And the meditation is optional… at least the length of it is. Catholics aren’t bound to these prayers, but we are encouraged to take part in them should we desire.

I’m curious, how similar is this to the Jewish practice?
 
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