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Syntax
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hahahaha!!
This is either trivially true, or totally absurd. Either way, it doesn’t enlighten anyone about a da** thing.
The Metaphysics Of Existence: The Reality Of Being & Nothing
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This is either trivially true, or totally absurd. Either way, it doesn’t enlighten anyone about a da** thing.
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MindOverMatter2
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What is da “thing” exactlyhahahaha!!
This is either trivially true, or totally absurd. Either way, it doesn’t enlighten anyone about a da** thing.
. Surely your not talking about “something” that’s real?
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MindOverMatter2
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It means, in so far as objective reality and truth is concerned, the absence of a contingent nature or truth.What does “nothing” mean other than “its not the case that”???
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MindOverMatter2
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I really don’t understand what your objection is? I am not the one claiming that nothing is an objective nature or truth, or that nothing could possibly be a universal absolute truth and reality. If you want to believe that nothing can be real with out reality or true with out truth, you are welcome. But i have demonstrated that such a position is absolutely irrational and objectively impossible.If the word “nothing” **means ** something more than negation like you imply it does,
So you’re whole enterprise is silly right from the start
Since you haven’t provided any arguments that deal with the threads original claim, then i can only assume that your not here to participate in debate; but you are instead here to play games.
Are trying to upset me or something?
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Syntax
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That doesn’t even make any sense. The “absence of a contingent truth” just means “it is not the case that something is contingently true.” The “absence of a contingent nature” just means “it is not the case that something has a contingent nature–implying that something’s nature is either merely possible or necessary.”
“Nothing” only means “it is not the case that.”
You are getting confused by use of sloppy language. For instance, people will say,
“There is nothing wrong with him.”
But this just means,
“It is not the case that there is anything wrong with him.”
Or,
“I believe in nothing.”
just means,
“I don’t believe in anything” or “It is not the case that I believe in anything.”
Or,
“I have nothing to say to you”
just means,
“It is not the case I have anything to say to you” or “I don’t want to say anything to you.”
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This is totally convoluted. And it is certainly NOT anything I said or implied. So I don’t know what you are talking about.
I am merely correcting your bad English. But I can see I am wasting my time. Sorry.
Don’t flatter yourself in thinking I have the intention to upset you.
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Syntax
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huh?? NO. This sentence means, “It is not the case that the general topic of your post enlightens us about even *one *topic.”What is da “thing” exactly
So again, I can see you intend to fundamentally misuse language in your discussions.
I’m already bored.
Later.
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Eric_Hilbert
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The title of the thread is “The Metaphysics Of Existence”. Remain on topic, be charitible, and cease from personal and combative remarks.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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sem78
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The nothing nothings nothing because being is all there is without nothing to do nothing. So contingent truths within nothing means nothing because there is no being in nothing about which nothing nothings.
Does that sound more “on topic” to you?
The topic of “Being/Nothing” always comes down to a lingusitic and logical issues. But of course, you falsly misconstrue my intentions as “uncharitable,” “off-topic,” and “hostile” when I correct someone’s grammar precisely because you are unfamiliar with it. But don’t blame your failure to understand on my own intentions.
I started exploring this case with your senior administrator.
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Foley
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Nothingness can be talked about because when you talk about it you associate it with something, therefore making it something. Thus it is then something not nothing.
“Let us pray…”
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“Let us pray…”
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MindOverMatter2
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I still don’t understand your objection. How does anything your saying undermine any of “my” arguments? How am i saying anything contradictory to what you have said here? To say that some being no-longer exists or could possibly or potentially exist, is to expose the truth that some things, in order to be real, are contingent upon the existence of reality, and that truth is an expression of reality. To say that absolutely nothing has the possibility or the potential to be objectively “true”, has metaphysical implications that are contradictory; and i have explained why. You have given no arguments to prove that i am wrong; you have merely made assertions and straw-men that are implying that i have turned the word “nothing” in to something more then a negation. But i have done nothing of the sort. Perhaps you have misunderstood me and jump the gun; which is fair enough. However, if your interest here is to expose an error in the “Logic” of my argument, then perhaps you should deal with my argument as follows…
- Nothing is not an objective reality; thus there is no positive reality, objectivity, or truth, in nothing, in so far as these words apply to Beings. This is to say that nothing is not a “being”. Nothing is just a word which we use to explain absence. For example “there is nothing in this room” or “i have nothing to say”. Thus the word cannot be applied to an act of reality
- Truth is an expression of reality; since there is no truth in nothing.
- Thus absolutely nothing cannot be a reality.
- Therefore we cannot say that absolutely nothing is a possible reality or truth; because when truth is applied to objective reality, we are speaking about that which is objectively real or true.
- Therefore we must admit that there is a necessary timeless being that cannot fail to exist. It has no beginning or end, because its nature is existence.
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