Perhaps, but she hasn’t just rolled over and said “sin is good”, “wrong is right”, “Truth redefines itself to the age” like way too many of our separated brothers and sisters. This is precisely the issue with a complete lack of authority in separated Christendom; there is no immutable Truth, only lobbying for one’s own feelings.You don’t think the issue of sexuality hasn’t impacted the RCC? Goodness.
It is part of the whole tactic on a certain segment of society that says anyone that sins is a victim and to stand up against those who are righteous makes one a hero. It is to turn brokenness into an ideal; flaws into virtues. It becomes a sad twisting of the story of David and Goliath, but rather than the one ordained by God triumphing it is those who stand against him the are raised up as the righteous underdog.How are the clergy who come out as gay brave?
Really? Can you provide examples of how the issue of sexuality has impacted the RCC?You don’t think the issue of sexuality hasn’t impacted the RCC? Goodness.
So you and your membership and clergy alike are dealing with it in a different way
Yes, because we have already the standard to follow…and no need to reinvent the wheel,
than branches of the the Church that discuss and make decisions together based on prayer and the leading of the Holy Spirit. (BTW, the Methodist General Conference meets once every four years, not yearly.)
Maybe this is the whole point and difference between the RCC and Orthodox vis a vis the protestants…the Methodists, like other protestant denoms, treat the ministry as a job and not as a Sacrament…the Holy Orders.This is really getting so tiresome. How are the clergy who come out as gay brave? No one forces you to join the clergy of a particular church. You should be accepting all of its teachings if that’s what you are doing. If you’re fighting to change the church’s stance on homosexuality, you probably never really cared about its teachings at all, and were simply looking for a job.
People like this clearly do not believe that the church has a supernatural mission or that it is holy.
I believe that all Christians in their various branches treat ministry as vocation - calling. Some understand the office as Sacrament and some as Ministry. But all clergy are, by definition, called in their Vocation by God.Maybe this is the whole point and difference between the RCC and Orthodox vis a vis the protestants…the Methodists, like other protestant denoms, treat the ministry as a job and not as a Sacrament…the Holy Orders.
Yep, there’s not a denomination alive today that is not discussing these issues in earnest.You don’t think the issue of sexuality hasn’t impacted the RCC? Goodness.
I believe that it is how we as people of God discern. All of us. From the College of Cardinals to the Methodist General Conference.the danger is when you put theology to a vote.
Little Sheep, you are spot on. Faith communities live in our society - apart from those who intentionally set themselves apart - and this is the time we must begin to sort out gender and sexuality. The Mormons, the Southern Baptists, Roman Catholics, the Unitarians, and even the small regional faiths - they are all having to come to terms with the new norm in sexuality. It’s going to take decades but in the end, there will have to be a coming to terms with differences in who we are as human beings.Yep, there’s not a denomination alive today that is not discussing these issues in earnest.
I believe that it is how we as people of God discern. All of us.
This is against what the Bible says…thus as John wrote…1John4:
6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
From the College of Cardinals to the Methodist General Conference.
I do not know the Methodists. but I am sure the College of Cardinals follow 1John4:6.
I know it’s not the same thing as casting lots, which was the way people discerned God’s will back in OT and NT times, but personally I think it’s a bit better.
Maybe…protestant denoms may call it a vocation, but still treat is a job…and quite differently if it is treated as a Sacrament.I believe that all Christians in their various branches treat ministry as vocation - calling. Some understand the office as Sacrament and some as Ministry. But all clergy are, by definition, called in their Vocation by God.
I believe the discussion is about being a better for the Catholics, not to appease left-wing ideologies.ComplineSanFran;13899437]Little Sheep, you are spot on. Faith communities live in our society - apart from those who intentionally set themselves apart - and this is the time we must begin to sort out gender and sexuality. The Mormons, the Southern Baptists, Roman Catholics, the Unitarians, and even the small regional faiths - they are all having to come to terms with the new norm in sexuality. It’s going to take decades but in the end, there will have to be a coming to terms with differences in who we are as human beings.
Perhaps God is with those who are truly suffering but looks dimly upon those who feign being a victim.And where is God in all this? Probably with those who are suffering. Not so much with the righteous.
Not if the West keeps losing the culture war.It’s going to take decades but in the end, there will have to be a coming to terms with differences in who we are as human beings.
Just not for the reasons one may think…Yep, there’s not a denomination alive today that is not discussing these issues in earnest.
Well, a job and it’s job description IS different from a Sacrament. Those who are called into Sacramental ministry are ordained as such. And from there, they (God willing) go from job to job. Some teach. Some run parishes. Some are school administrators. Some are physicians. Some are monastics. Some take care of finances. Some write books (thinking of Andrew Greeley for some reason). Some are activists and go to jail (thinking of Daniel Berrigan). Some have ordinary 9 to 5 jobs and help out on a Sunday morning.Maybe…protestant denoms may call it a vocation, but still treat is a job…and quite differently if it is treated as a Sacrament.
There are plenty of Catholic priests that couldn’t care less about the Church’s moral teachings.Maybe this is the whole point and difference between the RCC and Orthodox vis a vis the protestants…the Methodists, like other protestant denoms, treat the ministry as a job and not as a Sacrament…the Holy Orders.
They vote for our new Popes.I believe that it is how we as people of God discern. All of us. From the College of Cardinals to the Methodist General Conference.
I know it’s not the same thing as casting lots, which was the way people discerned God’s will back in OT and NT times, but personally I think it’s a bit better.
You know this…how?There are plenty of Catholic priests that couldn’t care less about the Church’s moral teachings.
And I believe they vote on other things too. It’s a way of discerning the will of God. Voting.They vote for our new Popes.
+1+1+1:thumbsup:He would probably be too in awe of cell phones and airplanes and modern medicine to care.