The misunderstood heresy of Donatism

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Distributist:
Ok what do you all think this heresy is?
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www.newadvent.org/cathen/05121a.htm
 
in my opinion this type of question is a misuse of the poll option. a poll should sample opinions on an issue about which there may be a range of equally valid opinions. there is absolutely no point in asking opinions about an issue that can be definitely answered with a little research, where the facts have already been established. It also invites a lot of misinformation and confusion to invite opinions about an objective truth, dogma or historical fact.
 
The Donatists stated that a cleric in the state of mortal sin could not effectively confect the sacraments. The Church, however, held that the sacraments were efficacious ex opere operato (that is, through the workings of Christ) rather than ex opere operatis (through the workings of the worker). Therefore, the spiritual state of the deacon, priest or bishop is not relevant to the efficacy of the sacraments (although it certainly is significant to the deacon, priest or bishop).

Deacon Ed
 
Deacon Ed:
The Donatists stated that a cleric in the state of mortal sin could not effectively confect the sacraments. The Church, however, held that the sacraments were efficacious ex opere operato (that is, through the workings of Christ) rather than ex opere operatis (through the workings of the worker). Therefore, the spiritual state of the deacon, priest or bishop is not relevant to the efficacy of the sacraments (although it certainly is significant to the deacon, priest or bishop).

Deacon Ed
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Now that I know the answer, I can vote 😛

PF
 
From Kenneth D. Whitehead’s book, “One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic; The Early Church was The Catholic Church.”

“Donatism. A forth-and fifth-century African heresy holding that the validity of the sacraments depends upon the moral character of the minister of the sacraments and that sinners cannot be true members of the Church or even tolerated by the Church if their sins are publicly known. Donatism began as a schism when rigorists claimed that a bishop of Carthage, Caecilian (fl. ca. 313), was not a true bishop because he had been ordained by a bishop who had been apostate under the Diocletian persecution. The Donatists ordained their own bishops, one of whom was Donatus, for whom the heresy is named. Donatism was codemned by Pope Miltiades (311-314) and by the (local) Council of Arles in 314, but it nevertheless persisted in North Africa until the Muslim conquest in the seventh century. The great St. Augustine (354-430) wrote extensively against Donatism.” (Whitehead, 2000)

Whitehead, Kenneth D.
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Very good book, by the way.
 
What was the purpose of this thread to begin with?

Is it to say that Donatism is misunderstood and that is why it is a heresy?

Sorry but I just don’t get it.
 
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ByzCath:
What was the purpose of this thread to begin with?

Is it to say that Donatism is misunderstood and that is why it is a heresy?

Sorry but I just don’t get it.
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Maybe an attempt to daw some parallell with some masses being invalid today due to the moral state of the celebrant?
 
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warrior71:
Maybe an attempt to daw some parallell with some masses being invalid today due to the moral state of the celebrant?
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I am kind of getting that feeling myself, just look at what happened to the person who started this thread…
 
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warrior71:
Maybe an attempt to daw some parallell with some masses being invalid today due to the moral state of the celebrant?
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Well then, let me say this, that is the definition of the heresy of Donatism.
 
The OP seems to have disappeared!! I haven’t seen anything from him since his first post.
 
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