The Moral Vote

[jrgiancola]

I do not believe it is immoral to vote for a Democrat who is pro-choice. Pro-choice is not always pro-abortion. For me, pro-choice means “leave it between God and the family;” it does NOT mean to me let’s promote abortion. I do not promote abortion. I am against the government banning it. There’s a difference. Just as “pro-life” means much more than just “ban abortion.”

 

[centurionguard]

I do not believe it is immoral to vote for a Democrat who is pro-choice. Pro-choice is not always pro-abortion. For me, pro-choice means “leave it between God and the family;” it does NOT mean to me let’s promote abortion. I do not promote abortion. I am against the government banning it. There’s a difference. Just as “pro-life” means much more than just “ban abortion.”

For me, pro-choice means “leave it between God and the family;” it does NOT mean to me let’s promote abortion.

Whether one supports Pro-Abortion or Pro Choice in any circumstance is immoral and forbidden by the Catholic Church.

Pro-Choice is just another proponent of Pro-Abortion whereby the ethical view of a pregnant woman who believes she has the rightful discretion to terminate the life of the fetus in her womb at any time in her pregnancy.

From a Catholic Moral view no woman has that choice. If one believes genuinely that the life within a pregnant woman is a spiritual and physical gift of God why would someone selfishly terminate that precious life?

Life begins at the nano-second of conception and is sanctified by God.
Willful termination of a human live Fetus in the womb of a mother is answerable before God.

It’s difficult to understand how Catholics or any other Christian, Jewish denomination can’t see that voting for any supportive political Abortion-rights movement is morally right.

 

[wynnejj]

Interestingly enough, abortion was NOT a priority of Jesus or of the Old Testament law. If Jesus had considered it a priority, He would have addressed it while on earth. There is absolutely nothing in either the Old or the New Testaments that specifically addresses the abortion question. “Thou shalt not kill” and “Be fruitful and multiply” arguably include abortion. However, oddly enough, the Jews don’t believe a fetus obtains a soul until it is born. “Love your neighbor as yourself” should be interpreted to include your unborn neighbor. But again, abortion was not the primary concern of Jesus and it should not be the determining factor here in America when we vote. What should be the primary factor considered when we vote: Which party seeks to “promote the general welfare,” that is, which party seeks to better the lives of all Americans, not merely the rich and the corporations. Clearly it’s the Democratic party that puts into effect those so-called “liberarl” programs which accomplish what Jesus commanded us to do for our neighbor.

Somehow when Jesus became Incarnate at the point of conception in the womb of Our Blessed Mother, I’m sure His one and only issue before all others was to be born to see the face of His Mother. The Real Presence of Man-God in Woman was at the point of conception. The real presence of God in man by virtue of his soul is at the point of conception in the womb of woman. This aspect should be of special interest to a Catholic, since the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist at the point of Consecration is prefigured by the Real Presence of Jesus in the Womb of Mary at the point of Conception. To desecrate human life in the womb is comparable to desecrating the Host. It is not a “blob of tissue” just as it is not a “cracker” - there’s a Real Presence, despite what our physical senses tell us.

As far as the OT goes, I would point you to Jeremiah 7. It talks about when sacrifices in the temple are unacceptable for social justice reasons. It talks about care of the resident alien (immigration policy?) and the orphan and widow (poor and vulnerable?). It talks about the murder of the innocent and the worship of false idols, specifically the queen of heaven (Ishtar / Venus, goddess of fertility). From verse 30 on, it gives special mention to some specific forms of worship that were particularly abominable. It includes the worship of false idols (false religions / secular humanism?) and, the sacrifice of sons and daughters as a sacrifice to false gods on Topheth and discarded in the Valley of Slaughter. Since the first and foremost law is to love God above all others, failure to worship God properly must take precedence over the second law which is to love your neighbor as yourself.

usccb.org/nab/bible/jeremiah/jeremiah7.htm