The morality of allowing Syrian refugees into the USA

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JimmyG88 said:
There is way too much xenophobia on this site. It’s distasteful to me.
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You haven’t seen xenophobia until you’ve seen/heard what is said about us within the hardcore Muslim communities in the West. Seriously.
Jeanne_S said:
Make the phone call for him.
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The point is that you don’t let him into your house. And, to stretch the analogy a bit, in this case the phone call should go to Riyadh and the capitals of the Gulf states.
 
Peter_Plato said:
We are also now talking about women suicide bombers.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323196/Shooting-breaks-Paris-suburb-anti-terrorist-operation.html#ixzz3rq8b6jF7

As to whether we share the “same enemy” with all of them is the question that needs answering.

By the way, I am not against finding safe homes for those who legitimately need them, I just very much doubt that those who legitimately need them are the ones who will legitimately get them.

I just don’t trust the political motives of many currently in power and what their long term goals are.
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Statistics show that you are more likely to be killed by a police officer in this nation than a terrorist. You also are more likely to be killed by an extreme right wing White terrorist than an Muslim one as well.
 
JCats1 said:
Statistics show that you are more likely to be killed by a police officer in this nation than a terrorist. You also are more likely to be killed by an extreme right wing White terrorist than an Muslim one as well.
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Oh,please…
 
“Not to resolve these homeless refugees of their plight, not to relieve them of their solitude…is to exile them from Human memory. And in denying their humanity, we betray our own.” -Elie Wiesel
 
Jeanne_S said:
That is a specious accusation.Here in America we are comprised of all different nationalities.This is what makes America unique.We are the least racist and most welcoming country there is.To have justified suspicion of a group who have shown they are barbaric and intent on destroying those who don’t agree with them is hardly xzenophobic.
A good analogy I just heard…there is a bowl of M& M on the table.Three of those M&M are poisionous,will kill whoever eats them.Would you dive in and take your chances?Even if only a few were a danger to you?
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Canada is more welcoming.

That analogy would make sense if said bowl had 10000 M&Ms in it and it was “would probably make you sick and might even kill you”
St_Francis said:
The FBI estimates that 10% of mosques preach extremism, and polls show 1/4 young Moslems think that suicide bombing can be justified under certain circumstances.

It is the government’s job to work towards our safety.

I’m sure this whole situation will be argued til the end of time at the rate it’s going, and it is certainly off-topic here and I don’t have anything that I haven’t said before ti say, and… I don’t have time to argue the question, so… whatever.
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22% of young Muslims think suicide bombing could hypothetically be possibly used ever. 5% of young Muslims (included in that 22%) think they could be used in rare circumstances.
Rau said:
In the US, is inciting violence not a crime? Is it allowed as free speech?
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Pretty much free speech.
 
JCats1 said:
“Not to resolve these homeless refugees of their plight, not to relieve them of their solitude…is to exile them from Human memory. And in denying their humanity, we betray our own.” -Elie Wiesel
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From a speech in which he thanked President Clinton for his and NATO’s military intervention in Bosnia:
And then, of course, the joint decision of the United States and NATO to intervene in Kosovo and save those victims, those refugees, those who were uprooted by a man whom I believe that because of his crimes, should be charged with crimes against humanity. But this time, the world was not silent. This time, we do respond. This time, we intervene.

Does it mean that we have learned from the past? … Is today’s justified intervention in Kosovo, led by you, Mr. President, a lasting warning that never again will the deportation, the terrorization of children and their parents be allowed anywhere in the world? Will it discourage other dictators in other lands to do the same?

In response to what he described thus:
And our [prisoners in Buchenwald] only miserable consolation was that we believed that Auschwitz and Treblinka were closely guarded secrets; that the leaders of the free world did not know what was going on behind those black gates and barbed wire; that they had no knowledge of the war against the Jews that Hitler’s armies and their accomplices waged as part of the war against the Allies.

If they knew, we thought, surely those leaders would have moved heaven and earth to intervene. They would have spoken out with great outrage and conviction. They would have bombed the railways leading to Birkenau, just the railways, just once.

And now we knew, we learned, we discovered that the Pentagon knew, the State Department knew. And the illustrious occupant of the White House then, who was a great leader – and I say it with some anguish and pain, because, today is exactly 54 years marking his death – Franklin Delano Roosevelt died on April the 12th, 1945, so he is very much present to me and to us.
 
JCats1 said:
Statistics show that you are more likely to be killed by a police officer in this nation than a terrorist.
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Most police-caused fatalities happen in the course of involvement with the police, and a high percentage is a result of self-defense. Altho there are a few incidents in which a victim should not have been accosted by the police or did not cause a need for self-defense, most of the time it is pretty easy in the US to avoid being killed by the police.
You also are more likely to be killed by an extreme right wing White terrorist than an Muslim one as well.
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Do you have a source for this?
 
JCats1 said:
Statistics show that you are more likely to be killed by a police officer in this nation than a terrorist. You also are more likely to be killed by an extreme right wing White terrorist than an Muslim one as well.
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Source?
 
I would like to say something to all those who say, We’re Christian, we have to let them in.
  1. That is not an argument. As Christians we are called to care for them in individual ways, but that does mot necessarily require letting them in, esp under the corcumstances of paying to have government bureaucracies manage fhe whole thing.
  2. Are you “listening” to those who disagree with you? Some of the posts on this thread have been simply dismissive of a point of view which differs.
  3. For all that more have been killed by non-Moslem terrorists than by Moslem terrorists *since *9/11, there are plenty of people who suffered from that attack which far, far outweighs what has happened since, My family has members who knew people who were killed on 9/11; one member still has health issues and PTSD.
So it is a valid concern, and it is valid to care about *all *one’s neighbors, not just those who make us feel the best for being concerned about them.
  1. I suggest that we consider solutions to the concerns expressed by those with whom we do not agree rather than going around this treadmill of whose numbers accomplish what. On another thread, someone mentioned the old system of volunteer sponsorships. What do you all think about that?
 
Why doesn’t anyone trust U.S homeland security? I think our nation is one of the toughest nations in the world regarding background checks. There haven’t been any large attacks on American soil since 9/11 because the U.S heightened airport security. People have told me that security before 9/11 was lax and the technology was not as advanced as it is now. Now it’s nearly impossible to go through airport security easily-I’ve had my own experiences travelling a variety of countries. If you compare European border security compared with U.S security, you see that the EU is very very lax. For example, my grandmother accidently overstayed her visa and she had to change her flights so that she can pass through Amsterdam instead of London when she returned to her home country because Amsterdam didn’t really care if she overstayed her visa, while the British did. Also, Europe is screwed if refugees are coming through Greece. Greece has severe economic problems and I don’t think their border security is that great so it would be easier for terrorists to go through there. Plus, the EU is connected so there’s no security between each EU nation. The U.S on the other hand is pretty strong in homeland protection and we have the best military in the world.
 
Jeanne_S said:
That is a specious accusation.Here in America we are comprised of all different nationalities.This is what makes America unique.We are the least racist and most welcoming country there is.To have justified suspicion of a group who have shown they are barbaric and intent on destroying those who don’t agree with them is hardly xzenophobic.
A good analogy I just heard…there is a bowl of M& M on the table.Three of those M&M are poisionous,will kill whoever eats them.Would you dive in and take your chances?Even if only a few were a danger to you?
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I think that saying the US is the LEAST racist is a stretch.
 
Rau said:
Would you fly on an aircraft that “allows” Moslems / Syrians to also fly? One wonders where the thinking underlying your post will lead.
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It would depend on the airline and where it was departing from and flying to.
 
JimmyG88 said:
I think that saying the US is the LEAST racist is a stretch.
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I lived 10 years in Switzerland and I can say it is WAY LESS racist that the US. France, too, probably where I grew up (not in Paris, though, in the south). When I lived in Switzerland more than 20% of the population was not Swiss.
 
JCats1 said:
Why doesn’t anyone trust U.S homeland security? I think our nation is one of the toughest nations in the world regarding background checks. There haven’t been any large attacks on American soil since 9/11 because the U.S heightened airport security. People have told me that security before 9/11 was lax and the technology was not as advanced as it is now. Now it’s nearly impossible to go through airport security easily-I’ve had my own experiences travelling a variety of countries. If you compare European border security compared with U.S security, you see that the EU is very very lax. For example, my grandmother accidently overstayed her visa and she had to change her flights so that she can pass through Amsterdam instead of London when she returned to her home country because Amsterdam didn’t really care if she overstayed her visa, while the British did. Also, Europe is screwed if refugees are coming through Greece. Greece has severe economic problems and I don’t think their border security is that great so it would be easier for terrorists to go through there. Plus, the EU is connected so there’s no security between each EU nation. The U.S on the other hand is pretty strong in homeland protection and we have the best military in the world.
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I trust homeland security. Nothing is perfect, but I think they come pretty close. If they didn’t, we would have had more terrorist attacks in the US by now.

Europe’s borders, for the most part, are way too porous. They need to tighten border security. When I lived there, often there was no security.

If tens of thousands of Syrian refugees come to the US, I’m not going to be worried. If I knew there were terrorists among them I would be, but I trust the government to do thorough background checks.

Still, I think they would be happier if their homeland were made safe rather than having to come here and adapt to a new lifestyle.
 
For a country which wouldn’t exist in its present form without colonisation, invasion, and refugees and which wiped out the indigenous culture then imported people from Africa this is all very puzzling
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I trust homeland security. Nothing is perfect, but I think they come pretty close. If they didn’t, we would have had more terrorist attacks in the US by now.

Europe’s borders, for the most part, are way too porous. They need to tighten border security. When I lived there, often there was no security.

If tens of thousands of Syrian refugees come to the US, I’m not going to be worried. If I knew there were terrorists among them I would be, but I trust the government to do thorough background checks.

Still, I think they would be happier if their homeland were made safe rather than having to come here and adapt to a new lifestyle.
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Border controls in Europe for Europeans are regarded in a similar way to US state borders
 
JimmyG88 said:
Border controls in Europe for Europeans are regarded in a similar way to US state borders
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Yes, I know. I’ve lived most of my life in either Switzerland, France, or Holland, mostly France. In the south, not Paris. I am French, but I have US citizenship as well. I’ve traveled by car all over Europe. It was quite similar to traveling from state to state in the US. Not always as easy, but most of the time.
 
This is the contemporary ethical question of hiding Jews in one’s attic; risking personal violence by letting someone in to save them.
 
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