The Mormon creed

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jane_doe said:
Then why are you denying this very fact? Wasn’t that the whole start of this conversation?
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I think it started with Mormons special pleading for why their creed is good and the Christian creed is bad. That being the Mormon creed is Brighamite Mormon scripture or revelation from God.

The Catholics pointed out that their creed is part of the Deposit of Faith/Revelation which is the source of Tradition, and scripture is written tradition, therefore the Christian creed is from God.

Then Mormons claim that only THEY have REAL revelation, like the Montanists, and their creed is really from God and the Christian creed it not ‘real and for true’ from God.

The Catholics pointed out how Mormon revelation causes conflicting silliness like Montanus claiming from revelation that the New Jerusalem will be in Turkey while Joseph Smith claiming from revelation that the New Jerusalem would be in America. Or that God tells them the Mormon Church is true while ignoring the fact that God tells Catholics that the Catholic Church is true.
 
jane_doe said:
Likewise LDS acknowledge your relationship with Christ, despite the fact that you have some incorrect beliefs and the fact that we are not in communion. We are acknowledging the Good Christ brings to your beliefs, your actions, etc.
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Well, one of my Mormon friends said that it was possible that non-Mormons might even have an easier time of it than Mormons, due to non-Mormons lack of knowledge.
 
mackbrislawn said:
I think we have been talking past one another.

But what fact am I denying?
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This conversation started 100+ posts ago about how a person realizes Truth. I said the Spirit. You pointed to history. But then you say the Spirit here:
mackbrislawn said:
To join the true Church! And then, from it, learn the Gospel. Sure, the Spirit illuminates non-apostles, basically to tell them what the true Church is. I’m sure the Spirit illuminated you that the Mormon Church as was the true Church, as the Spirit prevented me from thinking so.
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gazelam said:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has no creed, as that term is understood in traditional theology. Truth and the things of God are comprehended by study, faith, reason, science, experience, personal revelation, and revelation received through the prophets of God. Creeds, on the other hand, tend to delimit this process.
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That’s true, creeds tend to delimit this process. Which is the whole point. This point stems from the notion that truth is eternal and does not change. Of course, others may prefer otherwise, like, the same old truths, year after year, century after century, boooring.

The early church didn’t have creeds either. Creeds were developed to combat heresies, crafted in such a way as to exclude what the heretics taught from the true Christian teachings.

The JW’s also claim not to have a creed. However, a number of years ago they had an article in the Watchtower about how to recognize the true JW beliefs from rival, false Watchtowers. This amounted to a creed, but they just didn’t call it that.

Yes, not having a creed does make it easier to have flexible theology which can adapt to changing social and political circumstances.
 
jane_doe said:
This conversation started 100+ posts ago about how a person realizes Truth. I said the Spirit. You pointed to history. But then you say the Spirit here:
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It was how*** I ***recognize the truth, which for me is logic and history. For you, it is the Spirit. Even though you also said study and prayer, so it must not be all the Spirit. For me it is also study: study of history, logic, and how it all fits together. For me that is how the Spirit works. For you, I suppose differently, as I suppose for different persons.
 
mackbrislawn said:
It was how*** I ***recognize the truth, which for me is logic and history. For you, it is the Spirit. Even though you also said study and prayer, so it must not be all the Spirit. For me it is also study: study of history, logic, and how it all fits together. For me that is how the Spirit works. For you, I suppose differently, as I suppose for different persons.
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Ok.
 
jane_doe said:
LDS agree on this point. ** LDS also believe that God has much Truth we have yet to understand.**
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For sure, we’re just not going to get it all here on this earth. 🙂 I don’t look at the mysteries of God to be a negative for us spiritually, it gives us something to hope for and look forward to.
 
jane_doe said:
LDS agree on this point. LDS also believe that God has much Truth we have yet to understand.
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Yes, Paul said that now we see through a glass darkly. But, later, face to face we will understand more.
 
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