The Mormon Jesus

[YHWH_Christ]

I had a conversation with a Mormon today claiming to be a Christian. Do not let them fool you, they will try to lure you to them by saying things like “Well, we believe Jesus was the Son of God too, just as all Christians do.” While it might be true, that they do believe he was the Son of God, they believe it in a very very different way.

You see for Mormons, we are all the literal children of God and his goddess wife in our spirit bodies, including Jesus who they believe to be the first born child of God. But more than that they actually teach that Jesus is the literal Son of God in the flesh in that they believe Jesus was artificially conceived with God the Father’s sperm in Mary’s womb through the Holy Spirit. Hence he is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh to them. This is very different from how Christians see Jesus as the only begotten Son of God.

They might also lure you in with something like, “We believe Jesus died for our sins too on the cross.” Again, while this is partly true, Mormons actually teach most of the atonement took place in Gethsemane and not on the cross, and had Jesus not been crucified after suffering for a little in Gethsemane there would be full atonement for all sins. There was really no need for the cross in Mormonism.

Mormons often use half truths to lead you into their cult, do not fall for it. Pray for them that they might see the true Christ one day and not Joseph Smith’s Christ.

 

[Wesrock]

The LDS also teach that God the Father is a creature, created, a being who was once like us, and in reverse that we will all progress to “godhood” like him.

 

[YHWH_Christ]

Their doctrines are insanity.

 

[BoomerangToo]

Don’t they also elevate Eve to a very high level, considering her to be a role model?

 

[YHWH_Christ]

I’m not sure but I know some Mormons in the past used to believe Adam was God the Father.

 

[Dan_Defender]

I once talked to a LDS person and what shocked me is they believe this theory of the ‘two nations’ that Jesus was sent to the one nation and the Smith guy to the other, meaning the Americas. Never mind that at Jesus time there were many nations, not just the Roman Empire. But also Smith is 19th century, so too much of a delay between him and Jesus. No logic there.

 

[gazelam]

They might also lure you in with something like, “We believe Jesus died for our sins too on the cross.” Again, while this is partly true, Mormons actually teach most of the atonement took place in Gethsemane and not on the cross, and had Jesus not been crucified after suffering for a little in Gethsemane there would be full atonement for all sins. There was really no need for the cross in Mormonism.

I only have time to address this one inaccuracy at the present.

1 Nephi 11:33 And I, Nephi, saw that he [Christ] was lifted up upon the cross and slain for the sins of the world.

3 Nephi 11:14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.

D&C 138:35 And so it was made known among the dead, both small and great, the unrighteous as well as the faithful, that redemption had been wrought through the sacrifice of the Son of God upon the cross.

Moses 7:55 And the Lord said unto Enoch: Look, and he looked and beheld the Son of Man lifted up on the cross, after the manner of men;

I hope this helps…

 

[lilypadrees]

Mormon Jesus is also the brother of Lucifer.

Mormon Jesus only became a god after death.

Mormon Jesus is also the Father and the Holy Spirit.

 

[jarnold]

Is it true The founder of Mormon claimed to meet Jesus in the woods? Or is that bs that my friend told me? Thanks lol

 

[YHWH_Christ]

“It was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him” (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.15) - Ezra Taft Benson, 13th President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (1985-1994)

"Forgiveness is available because of the atoning sacrifice of the Great Jehovah. Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had or ever would repent. Forgiveness is available because “God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take upon him the sins of his people, that he might blot out their transgressions according to the power of his deliverance.” (Alma 7:13.) ( The Promised Messiah: The First Coming of Christ, p. 337, Deseret Book, 1978.) - Bruce R. McConkie, LDS Apostle (1972-1985)

“And as he came out of the Garden, delivering himself voluntarily into the hands of wicked men, the victory had been won. There remained yet the shame and the pain of his attest, his trials, and his cross. But all these were overshadowed by the agonies and sufferings in Gethsemane. It was on the cross that he ‘suffered death in the flesh,’ even as many have suffered agonizing deaths, but it was in Gethsemane that “he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him.” (The Mortal Messiah, p. 127-128) - Bruce R. McConkie, ibid.

“the pains of all men, which he [Jesus] did, principally, in Gethsemane, the scene of his great agony” ( Ensign 12 [May 1982]:6) - Marion G. Romney, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (1985-1988)

 

[YHWH_Christ]

For Latter-day Saints, Gethsemane was the scene of Jesus’ greatest agony, even surpassing that which he suffered on the cross, an understanding supported by Mark’s description of Jesus’ experience (Mark 14:33-39).

…The evidence for Jesus’ extreme agony in Gethsemane is buttressed by a prophecy in the Book of Mormon and a statement by the resurrected Savior recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants. About 125 B.C., a Book of Mormon king, Benjamin, recounted in an important address a prophecy of the coming messiah spoken to him by an angel during the previous night. Concerning the Messiah’s mortal experience, the angel declared that “he shall suffer temptations, and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more than man can suffer, except it be unto death; for behold, blood cometh from every pore, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his people” (Mosiah 3:7). The Doctrine and Covenants gives the following poignant words of the resurrected Jesus: “Behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; …which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore , and to suffer both body and spirit” ( D&C* 19:16, 18).

Modern LDS leaders have emphasized that Jesus’ most challenging experience came in Gethsemane. Speaking in a general conference of the Church in 1982, Marion G. Romney, a member of the First Presidency, observed that Jesus suffered “the pains of all men, which he did, principally, in Gethsemane , the scene of his great agony” ( Ensign 12 [May 1982]:6). Church President Ezra Taft Benson wrote that “it was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him (Benson, p. 7).” - Encyclopedia of Mormonism 1992, (p. 542)

“The Savior atoned for our sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving His life on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how He suffered for all of our sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused Him to feel such agony that He bled from every pore (see [D&C 19:18–19]). Later, as He hung upon the cross, Jesus suffered painful death by one of the most cruel methods known to man.” - (The Atonement “Chapter 12: The Atonement,” Gospel Principles (2011), 59–66) - LDS.org, 2011 (Now ChurchofJesusChrist.org)

For Christians, although the agony in the Garden of Gethsemane certainly plays a role in the atonement, we believe Jesus suffered his greatest agony on the cross and that it is the core of the atonement where it was fully made. For Mormons it’s pretty much the other way around, the cross plays a role in the atonement in your faith but ultimately your faith teaches it principally occurred in Gethsemane. Your faith is antithetical to Christianity.

 

[Lemuel]

But more than that they actually teach that Jesus is the literal Son of God in the flesh in that they believe Jesus was artificially conceived with God the Father’s sperm in Mary’s womb through the Holy Spirit.

I was a Mormon for 57 years and I never heard that. I was always taught that God the Father inseminated Mary through sexual intercourse, the same as people do it naturally. There was nothing artificial about it.

 

[YHWH_Christ]

The Mormon and Mormon sources I have come into contact with say the Father implanted his sperm into Mary without sex but perhaps some Mormons have other ideas? Regardless this is major blasphemy in how it characterizes God.

 

[Lemuel]

That’s the New Age Mormonism talking. They deny that sexual intercourse was ever taught. That’s
an outright lie. There are Mormons on this thread who will lie and deny it.

 

[YHWH_Christ]

How do Mormons who believe Elohim had sex with Mary reconcile the gospel’s account that she was a virgin and conceived by the Holy Spirit?

 

[Lemuel]

They say she was a virgin because she knew no man and God is not a man.

 

[YHWH_Christ]

Ah interesting. What about the part with the power of the Holy Spirit coming over her as Gabriel said?

 

[Lemuel]

I have to get back to you later.

 

[Zaccheus]

The LDS also teach that God the Father is a creature, created, a being who was once like us, and in reverse that we will all progress to “godhood” like him.

“As God was, we are now. As God is, we will be.”
….Paraphrased from memory.

 

[CapitalistCatholic]

Doesn’t God also live on some planet as well? Kolob I think.