The Mormon Odyssey

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Interesting statement in that story:
Traditionally conservative but not really part of the religious right, the church opposes gay marriage and abortion (unless the mother’s life is in danger or in cases of rape or incest).
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Even when I was LDS, I never could understand why the Mormon Church teaches that, just because one or more adults sinned, it naturally follows that it’s then okay to murder the baby.

In Catholic morality, by sharp contrast, an evil deed can never be made good or acceptable by the circumstances surrounding it.

God bless,
Paul
 
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PaulDupre:
Even when I was LDS, I never could understand why the Mormon Church teaches that, just because one or more adults sinned, it naturally follows that it’s then okay to murder the baby.

In Catholic morality, by sharp contrast, an evil deed can never be made good or acceptable by the circumstances surrounding it.
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Bingo, why is it acceptable in LDS morality to murder a child because it was conceived in sin?
 
I’m a recent convert to the Catholic Church from mormonism. I don’t understand the distinction, either.

Michael
 
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PaulDupre:
Interesting statement in that story:
Traditionally conservative but not really part of the religious right, the church opposes gay marriage and abortion (unless the mother’s life is in danger or in cases of rape or incest).
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Even when I was LDS, I never could understand why the Mormon Church teaches that, just because one or more adults sinned, it naturally follows that it’s then okay to murder the baby.

In Catholic morality, by sharp contrast, an evil deed can never be made good or acceptable by the circumstances surrounding it.
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That’s interesting… I’ve a friend in Utah law who has said that incest ratios are higher than the norm amongst all socioeconomic classes of members of the LDS church (primarily father/daughter, uncle/niece, brother/sister) but that most cases are not matter of public record as there are few arrests as, in the case of the fundamentalists who practice polygamy, local law enforcement officials are not prone to arrest. While this statement would hardly qualify as factual evidence, I have to believe that there is some truth in it or my friend, who is in a position of knowledge, would not have spoken of the matter had he not some factual basis and legitimate information.
 
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mjf001:
I’m a recent convert to the Catholic Church from mormonism. I don’t understand the distinction, either.

Michael
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You’ve a number of fellow Mormon-to-Catholic convert brothers and sisters here, Michael… may I, as a cradle Catholic, say “Welcome - both here and to the Church of Christ!”
 
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arieh0310:
Bingo, why is it acceptable in LDS morality to murder a child because it was conceived in sin?
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Oh but God can take wrath an an infant for the sins of the parents and nobody even bats an eye.
:rolleyes:

2 Sam 12
15 ¶ And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah’s wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David afasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.
17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.
18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.
20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his aapparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst afast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
24 ¶ And David acomforted• Bath-sheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name bSolomon•: and the LORD loved him.
25 And he sent by the hand of Nathan the prophet; and he called his name Jedidiah, because of the LORD.
26 ¶ And aJoab• fought against Rabbah of the children of Ammon, and took the royal city.
27 And Joab sent messengers to David, and said, I have fought against Rabbah, and have taken the city of waters.
28 Now therefore gather the rest of the people together, and encamp against the city, and take it: lest I take the city, and it be called after my name.
29 And David gathered all the people together, and went to Rabbah, and fought against it, and took it.
30 And he took their king’s acrown• from off his head, the weight whereof was a talent of gold with the precious stones: and it was set on David’s head. And he brought forth the spoil of the city in great abundance.
31 And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under asaws•, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brickkiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of the children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned unto Jerusalem.
 
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Zakuska:
Oh but God can take wrath an an infant for the sins of the parents and nobody even bats an eye.
:rolleyes:
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I think the big difference is that He is God and we are not. In the Old Testament God destroyed the whole world (presumably there were children) because of sin, God ordered the Israelites to destroy entire cities (again one can assume there were children there). In the New Testament Jesus causes quite a scene in the temple. There are certain things that are left to the exclusive providence of God. Also, God did not strike to child down because it was conceived in sin but rather because the act caused the enemies of the Lord to show contempt:

2 Sam. 12:14: But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, the son born to you will die.

David’s sin was forgiven but the temporal punishment (the death of his son) was not removed.
 
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Zakuska:
Oh but God can take wrath an an infant for the sins of the parents and nobody even bats an eye.
:rolleyes:
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Zakuska,
I notice that in your profile you do not disclose your religious affiliation or background. Mind letting us know where you’re coming from?
Paul
 
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ben_dy:
You’ve a number of fellow Mormon-to-Catholic convert brothers and sisters here, Michael… may I, as a cradle Catholic, say “Welcome - both here and to the Church of Christ!”
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Thanks to you and to Paul. I hope I can add to the diologue here. Also, I can’t begin to descrive the changes which have come into my life since coming home.

God Bless,
Michael
 
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PaulDupre:
Zakuska,
I notice that in your profile you do not disclose your religious affiliation or background. Mind letting us know where you’re coming from?
Paul
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Paul,
If you got and look at FAIR message boards and read Zakuska’s posts, he is very Mormon.

mjf001,

Welcome home to a true communion with Christ. I am also a convert from the LDS faith, if you look at my signature you can guess who else I am. I guess this screen name does not offend so many people and make them antagonistic towards my posts.

In Christ,
Ted (Catholic Guy)
 
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