The Mormon View of Jesus Christ

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Really? I just did a search for “Follett” at LDS.org, and it turned up 39 hits. And you just linked to a BYU website that has it. Popular LDS apologist and author Blake Ostler refers to it extensively in his work “Exploring Mormon Thought: Of God and Gods”. Sorry, your statement is false.

LDS.org has plenty of quotes from early Latter-day Saints, as well as in our Church manuals.
**Really! I know that there are many sites with this “discourse” by Smith. What I said was that a missionary straight out of Utah denied to me personally that there was such a discourse - one where Smith says a person must learn to be god as did all gods before us. **
 
Yes, just like ex-Catholics that make it their business to research Catholicism. They know it better than actual Catholics…Do you agree?
I personally believe Catholicism is genuine Christianity - not the “great and abominable” church the Mormons contend that she is. For instance, here are some cute statements by Mormon leaders:

**"The present Christian world exists and continues by division. The MYSTERY of Babylon the great, is mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, and it needs no prophetic vision, to unravel such mysteries. The old church is the mother, and the protestants are the lewd daughters. Alas! alas! what doctrine, what principle, or what scheme, in all, what prayers, what devotion, or what faith, since the fathers have fallen asleep,' has opened the heavens; has brought men into the presence of God; and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to an innumerable company of angels? The answer is, not any: There is none in all christendom that doeth good; no, not one.’
  • Apostle John Taylor, Times and Seasons, Vol.6, No.1, p.811
“Babylon, literally understood, is the gay world; spiritual wickedness, the golden city, and the glory of the world, The priests of Egypt, who received a portion gratis from Pharaoh; the priests of Baal, and the Pharisees, and Sadducees, with their “long robes,” among the Jews, are equally included in their mother’s family, with the Roman Catholics, Protestants, and all that have not had the keys of the kingdom and power thereof, according to the ordinances of God.”
  • Prophet John Taylor, Times and Seasons, Vol.6, No.1, p.939
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the “whore of Babylon” whom the Lord denounces… as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. And any person who shall be so wicked as to receive a holy ordinance of the gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent of the unholy and impious act. If any penitent believer desires to obtain forgiveness of sins through baptism, let him beware of having any thing to do with the churches of apostate Christendom, lest he perish in the awful plagues and judgments, denounced against them. The only persons among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people who have authority from Jesus Christ to administer any gospel ordinance are those called and authorized among the Latter-day Saints. Before the restoration of the church of Christ to the earth in the year 1830, there have been no people on the earth for many generations possessing authority from God to minister gospel ordinances. We again repeat. Beware of the hypocritical false teachers and imposters of Babylon!
  • Apostle Orson Pratt The Seer, Vol.2, No.4, p.255**
And let’s not forget stuff from the Standard Works:

**D&C 38:10-11:
“Verily I say unto you, ye are clean, but not all; and there is none else with whom I am well pleased; For all flesh is corrupted before me; and the powers of darkness prevail upon the earth, among the children of men, in the presence of all the hosts of heaven—”

D&C 29:21:
“And the great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall be cast down by devouring fire, according as it is spoken by the mouth of Ezekiel the prophet, who spoke of these things, which have not come to pass but surely must, as I live, for abominations shall not reign.”

D&C 88:94:
“And another angel shall sound his trump, saying: That great church, the mother of abominations, that made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, that persecuteth the saints of God, that shed their blood—she who sitteth upon many waters, and upon the islands of the sea—behold, she is the tares of the earth; she is bound in bundles; her bands are made strong, no man can loose them; therefore, she is ready to be burned. And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it.”**

Catholics, take note. Your church, according to Mormonism, is nothing but an abomination, and the Protestants are your daughters:

**“The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church is the great corrupt ecclesiastic power, represented by great Babylon which has made all nations drunk with her wickedness, and she must fall, after she has been warned with the sound of the everlasting gospel. Her overthrow will be by a series of the most terrible judgments which will quickly succeed each other, and sweep over the nations where she has her dominion, and at last she will be utterly burned by fire, for thus hath the Lord spoken. Great, and fearful, and most terrible judgments are decreed upon these corrupt powers, the nations of modern Christendom; for strong is the Lord God who shall execute His fierce wrath upon them, and He will not cease until He has made a full end, and until their names be blotted out from under heaven.”
  • Apostle Orson Pratt, Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, p.84 - p.85**
I hope the Catholics here become aware of this smear! After all, you can’t get any more official than God, and Mormons contend that God told Smith (in the unwitnessed first vision) that the creeds of all churches are an abomination and their “professors” (that would be Christians) are all corrupt.
 
**Really! I know that there are many sites with this “discourse” by Smith. What I said was that a missionary straight out of Utah denied to me personally that there was such a discourse - one where Smith says a person must learn to be god as did all gods before us. **
Now have you actually read it yourself, and been open to a context that does not match your self serving need to demonize LDS?
 
Now have you actually read it yourself, and been open to a context that does not match your self serving need to demonize LDS?
**I have read it myself, and have also been published in the area. Exposing Mormonism is not “demonizing” it - it is simply telling the truth. And what is your vested interest? Are you a Mormon yourself?

Quick check of your profile indicates you are a convert to Mormonism from the Catholic Church, right? I see. You should have really researched Mormonism before joining it - I doubt that any Catholic fully aware of what Mormonism teaches would be lured into LDS baptism.**
 
I personally believe Catholicism is genuine Christianity - not the “great and abominable” church the Mormons contend that she is. For instance, here are some cute statements by Mormon leaders:

**"The present Christian world exists and continues by division. The MYSTERY of Babylon the great, is mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, and it needs no prophetic vision, to unravel such mysteries. The old church is the mother, and the protestants are the lewd daughters. Alas! alas! what doctrine, what principle, or what scheme, in all, what prayers, what devotion, or what faith, since the fathers have fallen asleep,' has opened the heavens; has brought men into the presence of God; and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to an innumerable company of angels? The answer is, not any: There is none in all christendom that doeth good; no, not one.’
  • Apostle John Taylor, Times and Seasons, Vol.6, No.1, p.811
“Babylon, literally understood, is the gay world; spiritual wickedness, the golden city, and the glory of the world, The priests of Egypt, who received a portion gratis from Pharaoh; the priests of Baal, and the Pharisees, and Sadducees, with their “long robes,” among the Jews, are equally included in their mother’s family, with the Roman Catholics, Protestants, and all that have not had the keys of the kingdom and power thereof, according to the ordinances of God.”
  • Prophet John Taylor, Times and Seasons, Vol.6, No.1, p.939
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the “whore of Babylon” whom the Lord denounces… as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. And any person who shall be so wicked as to receive a holy ordinance of the gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent of the unholy and impious act. If any penitent believer desires to obtain forgiveness of sins through baptism, let him beware of having any thing to do with the churches of apostate Christendom, lest he perish in the awful plagues and judgments, denounced against them. The only persons among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people who have authority from Jesus Christ to administer any gospel ordinance are those called and authorized among the Latter-day Saints. Before the restoration of the church of Christ to the earth in the year 1830, there have been no people on the earth for many generations possessing authority from God to minister gospel ordinances. We again repeat. Beware of the hypocritical false teachers and imposters of Babylon!
  • Apostle Orson Pratt The Seer, Vol.2, No.4, p.255**
And let’s not forget stuff from the Standard Works:

**D&C 38:10-11:
“Verily I say unto you, ye are clean, but not all; and there is none else with whom I am well pleased; For all flesh is corrupted before me; and the powers of darkness prevail upon the earth, among the children of men, in the presence of all the hosts of heaven—”

D&C 29:21:
“And the great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall be cast down by devouring fire, according as it is spoken by the mouth of Ezekiel the prophet, who spoke of these things, which have not come to pass but surely must, as I live, for abominations shall not reign.”

D&C 88:94:
“And another angel shall sound his trump, saying: That great church, the mother of abominations, that made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, that persecuteth the saints of God, that shed their blood—she who sitteth upon many waters, and upon the islands of the sea—behold, she is the tares of the earth; she is bound in bundles; her bands are made strong, no man can loose them; therefore, she is ready to be burned. And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it.”**

Catholics, take note. Your church, according to Mormonism, is nothing but an abomination, and the Protestants are your daughters:

**“The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church is the great corrupt ecclesiastic power, represented by great Babylon which has made all nations drunk with her wickedness, and she must fall, after she has been warned with the sound of the everlasting gospel. Her overthrow will be by a series of the most terrible judgments which will quickly succeed each other, and sweep over the nations where she has her dominion, and at last she will be utterly burned by fire, for thus hath the Lord spoken. Great, and fearful, and most terrible judgments are decreed upon these corrupt powers, the nations of modern Christendom; for strong is the Lord God who shall execute His fierce wrath upon them, and He will not cease until He has made a full end, and until their names be blotted out from under heaven.”
  • Apostle Orson Pratt, Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, p.84 - p.85**
I hope the Catholics here become aware of this smear! After all, you can’t get any more official than God, and Mormons contend that God told Smith (in the unwitnessed first vision) that the creeds of all churches are an abomination and their “professors” (that would be Christians) are all corrupt.
You did not answer the question. Nice deflection.
 
Let me more clear here.
We are to post in charity per forum rules.
Failure to observe the forum rules wil result in suspension so the parties have time to read them.
If you are new to the forum I suggest a quick reading.
 
Sorry, this is false. Latter-day Saints know that our leaders are not always infallible, nor are they inerrant or impeccable. They are humans like the rest of us (and just like the Biblical prophets). What we do know is that critics such as yourself attempt to hold LDS prophets to an unbiblical standard, since not everything a prophets says is believed to be an inspired statement. Critics want LDS prophets to be seen as supposedly inspired in everything they say or do, and that they are not supposed to have their own opinions and speculations on various issues, which is not a Biblical standard for prophets in the first place, nor is it consistent with historical analyses of how prophets were seen in ancient Israelite culture.
I’ll let the posters here see with their own eyes how venerated the Mormon leaders are, especially Joseph Smith’s statement about being “god” to his followers:
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Joseph Smith stated: “God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.363).
Brigham Young said: "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p.95).
F.D. Richards confirms this: “the prophet and Apostle Brigham has declared it [the Adam-God doctrine], and that is the word of the Lord” (Millenial Star, August 26, 1854, vol.16, p.534).
“if the President makes a statement it is not our prerogative to dispute it” (Minutes of the School of Prophets, Provo, UT, 1868-1871, p.38-39).
Official LDS teaching documents state: “When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy” (Ward teachers message, June 1945).
A letter from the First Presidency (Presidents Benson, Hinckley, and Monson) to all members of the Church states: “The most reliable way to measure the accuracy of any biblical passage is not by comparing different texts [in the Bible], but by comparison with the Book of Mormon and modern-day revelations [through them]”. (Church News, June 20, 1992, page 3, letter dated May 22, 1992).
Ezra Taft Benson stated: “the Living Prophet…is more vital to us than the Standard Works [Bible, Book of Mormon, etc.]…The living Prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet [an Old Testament Prophet]”…“Keep your eye on the President of the Church. If he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it” (Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophets, BYU Devotional, Feb 26, 1980, p.3,6).
Joseph Fielding Smith declared that at every General Conference of the church, the speakers are giving forth scripture that is equal to anything in the Bible or Book of Mormon. **
 
You’ll find those statements by Young and other’s supposedly “inspired” by God on many sites, and you know it. Mormons will always throw their former leaders under the bus in their quest to cover up the past. But, when a person become a Mormon, then they are confronted with the esoteric, secret doctrines of Mormonism - which is why so many leave within one year of joining the group.

Nobody knows Mormonism like an ex-Mormon, I assure you. They’ve made it their business to research it.
I see.

So I gather that the best place to do research on Anglican and Catholic beliefs is ex-Anglican and ex-Catholic sources?
 
What do you mean, “enfleshed in all creation?” Sorry, but that sounds like some kind of pantheism. He is, as God, omnipresent, but transcends His creation. As far as I know, that is true Catholic teaching.
Where in all of creation do you not see the presence of Christ?
 
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