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Are Christians still bound to obey the Mosaic Law? There are some that say that we are still bound to the commandments, especially keeping the Saturday alone as the Sabbath… I say no. Jesus, who gave the Law to Moses, abrogated the Mosaic Law for all His followers and gave us a new Law and Everlasting Covenant. What is your take, or understanding?

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The requirements of the Law have been fulfilled in Christ. He is our New Sabbath Rest…we are no under the yoke of the Law.
 
Are Christians still bound to obey the Mosaic Law? There are some that say that we are still bound to the commandments, especially keeping the Saturday alone as the Sabbath… I say no. Jesus, who gave the Law to Moses, abrogated the Mosaic Law for all His followers and gave us a new Law and Everlasting Covenant. What is your take, or understanding?
You might read the Early Church Fathers and St. Justin Martyr’s apology in particular.

From New Advent

"Christian apologist, born at Flavia Neapolis, about A.D. 100, converted to Christianity about A.D. 130, taught and defended the Christian religion in Asia Minor and at Rome, where he suffered martyrdom about the year 165. Two “Apologies” bearing his name and his “Dialogue with the Jew Tryphon” have come down to us. Leo XIII had a Mass and an Office composed in his honour and set his feast for 14 April. "

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In Justin’s apology, he states that Christians were celebrating Mass on “the day of the Sun” and he states that that was done because their Savior rose from the dead on that day.
 
Are Christians still bound to obey the Mosaic Law? There are some that say that we are still bound to the commandments, especially keeping the Saturday alone as the Sabbath… I say no. Jesus, who gave the Law to Moses, abrogated the Mosaic Law for all His followers and gave us a new Law and Everlasting Covenant. What is your take, or understanding?
The Apostles instituted the Mass on a Sunday in commemoration of the day of the Resurrection and also out of necessity.

As observant Jews, they would have worshipped late Friday to sundown on Saturday.

Worship services as Christians (the breaking of the Bread as requested by Jesus) was conducted late evening Saturday or early Sunday morning prior to the beginning of the Jewish work week.
 
Yes and No. Yeshua translated the law. Each and every component of the Law is still in place but in a new form.

Example. Dietary law in the mosaic law was with reference to unclean meats. Today that component of the law is with respect to the abomination of symbolic communion.

The sabbath… the Old testament never commanded Saturday. If it did we would know with absolute certanty that the author was not devine as the world simple is not flat. The Old testament Sabbath commandment is a reference to a calendar. Nothing to do with the fixed week of today. The Fixed week is a throw back to Pagans. The ancient calander of the isrealites can not be recreated today. For a few reasons. the first being that the calander of old can not fit into a 365 day year as currently is the case. The saturday concept requires Sabbath days to land in the middle of the work days and that can never be reconciled with the genesis account which clearly states that the work days are evening and morning but the Seventh is not. In the ancient callander the seventh day could be as many as 3 days and 3 nights but the work days are always 6 and never anything less or more. If you find scripture that says otherwise you have either missunderstood the original meaning or you have read the words of a false prophet. This is afterall the sign of Jona.
 
If you call on Moses, Moses shall be your judge, and seeing as without the Temple no human being now living can keep the Mosaic covenant, then you had better hope Moses didn’t command you to choose Christ, which he did :

[14] These nations, whose land thou shalt possess, hearken to soothsayers and diviners: but thou art otherwise instructed by the Lord thy God. [15] The Lord thy God will raise up to thee a PROPHET of thy nation and of thy brethren like unto me: him thou shalt hear:

[16] As thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the assembly was gathered together, and saidst: Let me not hear any more the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see any more this exceeding great fire, lest I die. [17] And the Lord said to me: They have spoken all things well. [18] I will raise them up a prophet out of the midst of their brethren like to thee: and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. [19] And he that will not hear his words, which he shall speak in my name, I will be the revenger.

Deuteronomy 18: 14-19

God commanded us to hear Christ, and Christ gave authority to His apostles, who taught us to listen to the Church ([14]).

Seeing as Moses himself commanded them to hear the Prophet (Christ, [15, 18]), it would appear that regardless Christ shall be the judge of all Israel on the last day ([16 - 17, 19]).

Pax,
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Are Christians still bound to obey the Mosaic Law? There are some that say that we are still bound to the commandments, especially keeping the Saturday alone as the Sabbath… I say no. Jesus, who gave the Law to Moses, abrogated the Mosaic Law for all His followers and gave us a new Law and Everlasting Covenant. What is your take, or understanding?
Jesus always presupposed the validity of the Ten Commandments as a matter of course (see for example Mk 10:19; Lk 16:17). In the Sermon on the Mount he recapitulates and gives added depth to the commandments of the second tablet, but he does not abolish them (cf. Mat 5:21-48). To do so would in any case diametrically contradict the fundamental principle underpinning his discussion of the Ten Commandments (Mt 5:17-18). Jesus understands himself as the Torah—as the Word of God in person.

The concrete juridical and social forms and political arrangements are no longer treated as a sacred law that is set for all times and is so for all peoples. The decisive thing is the underlying communion of will with God given by Jesus. It frees men and nations to discover what aspects of political and social order accord with this communion of will and so to work out their own juridical arrangements. The absence of the whole social dimension in Jesus’ preaching so obvious from a Jewish perspective includes and also conceals an epoch making event in world history that has not occured as such in any other culture: The concrete political and social order is released from the directly sacred realm, from theocratic legislation, and is transferred to the freedom of man, whom Jesus has established in God’s will and taught thereby to see the right and the good.

This is what Ratzinger calls The Torah of the Messiah, in Gal 5:13 we read “you were called to freedom”—not to a blind and arbitrary freedom—a freedom “understood according to the flesh,” as Paul would say, but to a “seeing” freedom, anchored in communion of will with Jesus and so with God himself. It is a freedom that, as a result of this new way of seeing, is able to build the very thing that is at the heart of the Torah—with Jesus, universalising the essential content of the Torah and thus truly “fulfilling” it.

The ceremonial laws expressed a theology of separation appropriate to the Old Covenant as they served through antiquity as the symbol of election, demonstrating Israel’s distinction from the Gentiles. Because the Church is an international community including both Jews and Gentiles, instituted by Christ who came to gather all nations into the fold of the New Covenant, the ceremonial boundaries that divided Israel from everyone else were redundant (Rom 1:5, 16; 3:29-30; Gal 3:28).66 These Mosaic rituals constituted ceremonies which were signs of grace but not sacraments of grace. They point to better things to come in Christ (Col 2:16-17), but they did not, in themselves, confer the benefits they direct us towards (Heb 7:18-19; 10:1-4).

The sacrifices of the Mosaic Law set the stage for the perfect sacrifice of Jesus, which alone effects a true remission of sins (Heb 10:11-18).

Jesus Christ came not to “abolish the old law but to fulfil it” (Mt 5:17); but he also speaks of his blood as being the blood of the “new covenant” (cf. Lk 22:20), and like a new Moses he speaks words which bring the Old Covenant to its ultimate perfection, a perfection which at the same time transcends it. Therefore, while it “gives fulfilment to the law”, it sets us free from the regime of the Mosaic Law.

St. Paul is emphatic that Christ’s victory over sin also brings freedom from the Old Law. The Law was in itself holy, just and good (cf Rom 7:12) but it was in some way an occasion of sin; firstly, because the detailed knowledge it gave if the natural law and of what was sinful meant that sin was something people were more aware of and they could sin more gravely. The Apostle points this out when he says: “If it had not been for the law, I should not have known sin. I should not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, ‘You shall not covet’” (Rom 7:7). Secondly, because once the Law was promulgated, sin became a transgression of a positive law of God. That does not mean that there were no sins before the Law came (the natural law, impressed on men’s hearts, made them responsible for their actions); it means that sin acquired a new dimension, one which only Adam’s sin had before that—transgression of a positive divine law. This explains why St. Paul could say that “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law” (Gal 3:13).

Once God sent His Son “to redeem those who were under the law” (Gal 4:5), the Christian is no longer under the letter of the Law. The old legal precepts are no longer in force, and the rites of that Law have no longer any meaning (as signalled by the rending of the veil of the Temple when Christ died on the Cross: cf. Mt 27:51). However, the moral precepts of the Law remain in force, not because they are part of the Mosaic Law, but because all that law did was to spell out the natural law. By virtue of the Passion of Christ, the New Law confers the grace needed to keep its commandments. And so St. Paul can write that we are “not under the law but under grace” (Rom 6:14). Grace always brings with it charity, whereby we share in the Holy Spirit who is infinite love, and since the new Law is summed up in the precepts of charity, the obligatory nature of this Law does not force our freedom, because one cannot love unless one is free. The New Law then is “the perfect law of liberty” (Jas 1:25). According to Pauline teaching, the Old Law "disappears naturally with the coming of Christ, who is its end, when it has no more reason for existence, and when the promises which are irreconcilable with it are realised. But even though it should retain its validity in principle, the Christian, by the fact of Baptism, is released from its empire.
 
In Matt 5:17, Jesus says he didn’t come to abolish the law but fulfill it. I’m not exactly clear on what the distinction is between abolish and fulfill. From what I understand, Jesus made the old law no longer a legal law that should be publicly with all the punishments for breaking them. I think we still have to follow the old law but only the “spirit of the law” instead of the letter of the law. So we have know the law and are held accountable for it, but it is a law that we have in our hearts and have the freedom to disobey without the legal punishments. This has always been my understanding of it but I’m not sure what to make of the more brutal parts of the old law like the one that says to get your slaves from the nations around you and treat them as property. Can anyone clear that up?
 
In Matt 5:17, Jesus says he didn’t come to abolish the law but fulfill it. I’m not exactly clear on what the distinction is between abolish and fulfill. From what I understand, Jesus made the old law no longer a legal law that should be publicly with all the punishments for breaking them. I think we still have to follow the old law but only the “spirit of the law” instead of the letter of the law. So we have know the law and are held accountable for it, but it is a law that we have in our hearts and have the freedom to disobey without the legal punishments. This has always been my understanding of it but I’m not sure what to make of the more brutal parts of the old law like the one that says to get your slaves from the nations around you and treat them as property. Can anyone clear that up?
Did you read my post (#3) because I just answered that exact question! 👍
 
Did you read my post (#3) because I just answered that exact question! 👍
Here are the parts that sounded relevant,

"The concrete juridical and social forms and political arrangements are no longer treated as a sacred law that is set for all times and is so for all peoples. The decisive thing is the underlying communion of will with God given by Jesus. It frees men and nations to discover what aspects of political and social order accord with this communion of will and so to work out their own juridical arrangements. … The concrete political and social order is released from the directly sacred realm, from theocratic legislation, and is transferred to the freedom of man, whom Jesus has established in God’s will and taught thereby to see the right and the good.

…The old legal precepts are no longer in force, and the rites of that Law have no longer any meaning (as signalled by the rending of the veil of the Temple when Christ died on the Cross: cf. Mt 27:51). However, the moral precepts of the Law remain in force, not because they are part of the Mosaic Law, but because all that law did was to spell out the natural law."

So all of the legal precepts of the law are done away with, but the moral parts stay because they are in accordance with the natural law. So having the option of enslaving people from the nations around you would count as part of the legal precepts that we no longer have to follow? Just makin sure I understand you, thanks!
 
It should be kept in mind that the Mosaic Law ( not only the Decalogue, but all the other 610 commandments ) was for the Hebrews alone. Paul in his letter to the Romans expounds on this and the Apostles all taught this.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
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Are Christians still bound to obey the Mosaic Law? There are some that say that we are still bound to the commandments, especially keeping the Saturday alone as the Sabbath… I say no. Jesus, who gave the Law to Moses, abrogated the Mosaic Law for all His followers and gave us a new Law and Everlasting Covenant. What is your take, or understanding?

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
hi Javl. i would agree with you 100% . galations states that those still under the law are under a curse. it is also written in galations, that until Christ came, the law WAS our schoolmaster. when paul had the contention over circumcision in acts with the Judaizers, the Church ruled in his favor, and peter went on to state, that we were NOT required to keep the mosaic law, which they themselves were unable to keep. the law was fullfilled perfectly in Christ. which means he is our pure sacrifice. we are only required to keep the Law of Love. found in James. and the traditions the apostles handed down. also i believe the prohibition against eating blood is still in effect, and eating things strangled. and avoiding sexual immorality. very basic. not burdensome. the law of Love benefits us and our fellow man, in ways the mosaic law could not. it transcends it. Peace to you and yours. 🙂
 
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