The Most EVIL Examination of Conscience!

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A general confession isn’t required during the course of the Spiritual Exercises, it’s merely recommended, especially nowadays. Oneofthewomen touched on the graces she encountered, I’ll share what my experience was with the general confession: I was able to identify patterns of sin, and patterns of my own vulnerabilities to temptations of various kinds.

Sure, a lot of those sins I confessed during the general confession had already been absolved. But by going back through my life, as far as I could remember, I could identify the major patterns, and some more subtle patterns, of sinning, behaving badly, doing just plain stupid stuff, falling short, missing the mark, and so forth and so on. I was also able to identify my motives in many of these things.

Probably everyone in the world has a tendency of hiding a bad motive someplace underneath a superficially good action. God knows our hearts, and He gave us an intellect. Isn’t it time we try to know our own hearts and minds, our own sinful tendencies, and our own failings?

The graces I received from the general confession I did during the course of the First Week Exercises were threefold: A greater awareness of my own tendencies, a better chance of avoiding sin when I perceive myself being tempted, and a much keener appreciation of the mercy of God. Quite frankly, nowadays (post exercises,) when I’m starting to go down the wrong road spiritually and trying to justify that kind of thought and action to myself, I no longer believe my own half-baked attempt at self-deception to do what I want to do, when I want to do it, devil take the hindermost! That in itself is a great grace! And if the price of them was a rehash of about fifty years of pretty garden-variety sins and there was a priest willing to sit there long enough to listen to all of this junk, even though they had been absolved, most of them many times over, it was a small price to pay for those graces.

Leaving the confessional, I not only experienced a sense of greater knowledge and awareness, I experienced a greater sense of purpose and direction. Sure, most of us are apprehensive in an examination of conscience. But look at it this way–we’ve already done this stuff, or at least thought it. God knows all about it. The priest has heard worse, most likely. He isn’t going to be impressed. Sure, it’s embarrassing at times. But you know what? I’d rather be embarrassed for a little while here on earth than stand in front of the Throne of God and have to explain precisely why I wasn’t willing to take advantage of this marvelous holy sacrament in at least an attempt to improve my life! This is my eternal soul I’m talking about here, along with trying to develop a pattern of living that will only improve my temporal happiness as well. I don’t understand people being gun shy about examination of conscience, or confession for that matter. I never did understand it, when you think about what the stakes are.

There are quite a few people who have been through the Spiritual Exercises. They wouldn’t necessarily appeal to everyone, they do require commitment, prayer, thought, and work. They were originally designed for men who were to go out on mission, sometimes to very remote places, who wouldn’t have the great luxury of having direction immediately available to them, and they were later adapted to be of utility to people from every walk of life. They do train you to discern “on the fly,” so to speak. And that, of course, is where we sin–on the fly.
 
A general confession isn’t required during the course of the Spiritual Exercises, it’s merely recommended, especially nowadays. Oneofthewomen touched on the graces she encountered, I’ll share what my experience was with the general confession: I was able to identify patterns of sin, and patterns of my own vulnerabilities to temptations of various kinds.

Sure, a lot of those sins I confessed during the general confession had already been absolved. But by going back through my life, as far as I could remember, I could identify the major patterns, and some more subtle patterns, of sinning, behaving badly, doing just plain stupid stuff, falling short, missing the mark, and so forth and so on. I was also able to identify my motives in many of these things.

Probably everyone in the world has a tendency of hiding a bad motive someplace underneath a superficially good action. God knows our hearts, and He gave us an intellect. Isn’t it time we try to know our own hearts and minds, our own sinful tendencies, and our own failings?

The graces I received from the general confession I did during the course of the First Week Exercises were threefold: A greater awareness of my own tendencies, a better chance of avoiding sin when I perceive myself being tempted, and a much keener appreciation of the mercy of God. Quite frankly, nowadays (post exercises,) when I’m starting to go down the wrong road spiritually and trying to justify that kind of thought and action to myself, I no longer believe my own half-baked attempt at self-deception to do what I want to do, when I want to do it, devil take the hindermost! That in itself is a great grace! And if the price of them was a rehash of about fifty years of pretty garden-variety sins and there was a priest willing to sit there long enough to listen to all of this junk, even though they had been absolved, most of them many times over, it was a small price to pay for those graces.

Leaving the confessional, I not only experienced a sense of greater knowledge and awareness, I experienced a greater sense of purpose and direction. Sure, most of us are apprehensive in an examination of conscience. But look at it this way–we’ve already done this stuff, or at least thought it. God knows all about it. The priest has heard worse, most likely. He isn’t going to be impressed. Sure, it’s embarrassing at times. But you know what? I’d rather be embarrassed for a little while here on earth than stand in front of the Throne of God and have to explain precisely why I wasn’t willing to take advantage of this marvelous holy sacrament in at least an attempt to improve my life! This is my eternal soul I’m talking about here, along with trying to develop a pattern of living that will only improve my temporal happiness as well. I don’t understand people being gun shy about examination of conscience, or confession for that matter. I never did understand it, when you think about what the stakes are.

There are quite a few people who have been through the Spiritual Exercises. They wouldn’t necessarily appeal to everyone, they do require commitment, prayer, thought, and work. They were originally designed for men who were to go out on mission, sometimes to very remote places, who wouldn’t have the great luxury of having direction immediately available to them, and they were later adapted to be of utility to people from every walk of life. They do train you to discern “on the fly,” so to speak. And that, of course, is where we sin–on the fly.
Thanks for sharing your experience with general confession. Although I didn’t technically have one, I feel like I did. I think confessing thirty-two + sins is the closest thing you’ll get to a general confession without actually having one. 😃
 
Knight, if you came up with 32 sins after going through one of those checklist question and answer examinations of conscience, Father should be overjoyed that you are confessing all of them!

We must have a different breed of priests here in New York State. In fifty some years of pretty regular confession, I think I’ve encountered a priest who “got mad at me” three times! They’re usually objective, sympathetic, encouraging, and challenging. Some (quite a few of them, in fact,) will use the sacrament of penance as a teaching moment as well, time permitting. Some of them will refer you to scripture, or the catechism, and one church even has little scratch pads and golf pencils you can write down a reference with. I’m thinking that since most of the priests I’ve confessed to have been from seminaries in two dioceses (New York and Rochester,) or are Jesuits, they must have gotten incredibly good formation with the sacrament of reconciliation. Maybe the same group of seminary instructors taught all of them. You don’t hear much about people getting yelled at in confession around here. I hear tell of people getting yelled at in the confessional, and I find myself wondering, “what’s with that?”
 
Knight, if you came up with 32 sins after going through one of those checklist question and answer examinations of conscience, Father should be overjoyed that you are confessing all of them!

We must have a different breed of priests here in New York State. In fifty some years of pretty regular confession, I think I’ve encountered a priest who “got mad at me” three times! They’re usually objective, sympathetic, encouraging, and challenging. Some (quite a few of them, in fact,) will use the sacrament of penance as a teaching moment as well, time permitting. Some of them will refer you to scripture, or the catechism, and one church even has little scratch pads and golf pencils you can write down a reference with. I’m thinking that since most of the priests I’ve confessed to have been from seminaries in two dioceses (New York and Rochester,) or are Jesuits, they must have gotten incredibly good formation with the sacrament of reconciliation. Maybe the same group of seminary instructors taught all of them. You don’t hear much about people getting yelled at in confession around here. I hear tell of people getting yelled at in the confessional, and I find myself wondering, “what’s with that?”
I’ve never been yelled at personally, but I’ve heard stories of a past Priest that would literally yell at the top of his lungs at people in the confessional. Or, this is what I’ve been told, anyway. I’m not sure why anyone would lie about something such as this, though. If it is true, I’m glad he never heard my past four confessions because, trust me, there’d be some yelling. However, I would never commit these sins again, so that would be a plus. 😃
 
Knight, if you came up with 32 sins after going through one of those checklist question and answer examinations of conscience, Father should be overjoyed that you are confessing all of them!

We must have a different breed of priests here in New York State. In fifty some years of pretty regular confession, I think I’ve encountered a priest who “got mad at me” three times! They’re usually objective, sympathetic, encouraging, and challenging. Some (quite a few of them, in fact,) will use the sacrament of penance as a teaching moment as well, time permitting. Some of them will refer you to scripture, or the catechism, and one church even has little scratch pads and golf pencils you can write down a reference with. I’m thinking that since most of the priests I’ve confessed to have been from seminaries in two dioceses (New York and Rochester,) or are Jesuits, they must have gotten incredibly good formation with the sacrament of reconciliation. Maybe the same group of seminary instructors taught all of them. You don’t hear much about people getting yelled at in confession around here. I hear tell of people getting yelled at in the confessional, and I find myself wondering, “what’s with that?”
However, these are my feelings as well. Once I’m a Priest, I will be overjoyed at good. long confessions. I’ve grown so close to the Sacrament that it’s the one thing I look forward to the most. I’ve heard a woman say that she could never do this, as it would be “too traumatic” for her to know everything people have done. I have no clue how that thought process works, quite honestly. I don’t care what you’ve done, as long as you confess it and you are sorry. I won’t give out some of the unfortunately lenient penances I’ve been given in the past, though. One Hail Mary or one Our Father doesn’t really do it for me. I like extreme penances such as saying an entire Rosary, or, one I’ve been given in the past that makes me smile when I think about it, praying to the Holy Spirit everyday for the rest of my life (It’s hard not to smile at that, isn’t it? :D). I definitely wouldn’t give these penances for the milder confessions, however, if I hear confessions that resemble the past few I’ve had, I’ll at the very least give one Mystery of the Rosary to the person. I don’t know, maybe I just like intense experiences too much. 😃
 
beginningcatholic.com/catholic-examination-of-conscience.html This is the most extreme Examination of Conscience the world has ever known… I have literally been doing this for over two. hours. And, that is with condensing sins familiar to each other together! I have nineteen, and I crossed out four that I realized I didn’t even commit. This thing makes you think you committed sins that you didn’t! If everyone went by this Examination, Priests would only be able to fit in two people per hour. You almost have to do one Confession per Commandment on this thing. I have to wake up in three hours at five in the morning to work, and this thing has kept me up because I won’t be able to do this tomorrow. Do yourself a favor and never use this thing. I filled up an entire page with my sins and I had to stop when I got to the sixth/ninth commandment because if I didn’t the Priest would rip my page in two halfway into it. Am I the only one who thinks this thing is way too descriptive? There’s almost thirty sins per commandment on this thing!
ATeutonic, I use this examination because it is crystal clear on what is mortal sin and what is venial, also it describes the sins in more detail. catholicparents.org/oxcart/Examination%20of%20Conscience.pdf I hope this helps you.
 
ATeutonic, I use this examination because it is crystal clear on what is mortal sin and what is venial, also it describes the sins in more detail. catholicparents.org/oxcart/Examination%20of%20Conscience.pdf I hope this helps you.
Wow. Is everything on here supposed to be grave sin?

I just want to comment that I hear Catholics often stating, that they haven’t committed mortal sins in years. Is everyone that holy?

But then again, if you don’t know that it’s grave matter, then you haven’t committed a mortal sin. I also was taught that if you think a venial sin is mortal sin and you go ahead and do it anyway, then it is a mortal sin.

So it gets tricky.
 
Wow. Is everything on here supposed to be grave sin?

I just want to comment that I hear Catholics often stating, that they haven’t committed mortal sins in years. Is everyone that holy?

But then again, if you don’t know that it’s grave matter, then you haven’t committed a mortal sin. I also was taught that if you think a venial sin is mortal sin and you go ahead and do it anyway, then it is a mortal sin.

So it gets tricky.
Really? I always thought that if you committed a sin that was Mortal but you thought it was only venial, then it’s still Mortal. This information would’ve been nice when I found out pornography was a Mortal sin after I’d committed the sin about a year ago. 😃
 
Wow. Is everything on here supposed to be grave sin?
I use that examination of conscience and it lists mortal sins then venial sins. So no, not everything is a mortal sin - some sins are listed there under the venial sin category.
I just want to comment that I hear Catholics often stating, that they haven’t committed mortal sins in years. Is everyone that holy?
Sure, why not? I can believe it. Speaking personally, for the most part I don’t have much to confess when I go (I try go monthly). Not because I am holy but probably due to (1) lax conscience and/or (2) I am busy with work/prayer life/reading books that I don’t get the chance to mortally sin and/or (3) Through the grace of God I am not being drawn into mortal sin.
I also was taught that if you think a venial sin is mortal sin and you go ahead and do it anyway, then it is a mortal sin.
Taught correctly, I believe.
 
I detest the idea of a general confession.

Why do I have to revisit all my past sins that have been absolved with a spiritual director or on a retreat?
Probably so the spiritual director can get an accurate view of your spiritual life, where you were, where you are and knowing you that well can direct you by the safest and most direct route to eternal life 🙂

Aside from that it can also be helpful for scrupolous people, a famous example being St ignatius of Loyola, so that any guilt you may still have can be removed and your concscience eased.

Lasly it helps us our utter miserableness and gods supreme love and mercy and thus avail ourselves of it.

As to why it happens on retreats, I would guess thats because one must first know oneself in order to improve and so must the spiritual director. St Francis de la Sales also recommends one in his book 'Introduction to the devout life’
 
I’d be curious to know how many people think of gossip as mortal sin, as per this examination of conscience.
IT can be either mortal or venial. Gossip can be like calumny and thus harmful to the person involved. It can be done to make oneself feel superior. It can be done to tarnish someone elses name unjustly or for mere entertainment. In these cases, it is mortal sin. If it’s something trivial and done without nasty intention, it is venial because it’s not grave enough yet it is still an imperfection (fascination with the banal affairs of others).

So, example:

Mortal Sin Gossip: Hey Jones, did you hear that Steve had sex with Sarah only so that he could feel better about himself? She’s such an idiot and he’s an idiot, I’m so glad I’m better than both of them.

Venial Sin Gossip: Hey Jones, did you hear that Tim and Kate broke up on Saturday.
Doing unnecessary work on a Sunday - mortal sin?
3rd commandment.
 
Wow. Is everything on here supposed to be grave sin?

I just want to comment that I hear Catholics often stating, that they haven’t committed mortal sins in years. Is everyone that holy?

But then again, if you don’t know that it’s grave matter, then you haven’t committed a mortal sin. I also was taught that if you think a venial sin is mortal sin and you go ahead and do it anyway, then it is a mortal sin.

So it gets tricky.
If you scroll down there are venial sins listed after the grave sins. Yes, you are right that if you did not know that these sins were mortal then you did not commit a mortal sin. For a sin to be mortal, it has to be grave matter, you must have full knowledge that it is grave, and you must commit the sin with full consent of your will. That said, I think it is still good to confess your grave sins for peace of mind.

I laugh at myself now because when I first came back to the Church after many years and confessed the first time as an adult I only had two sins to confess. The priest was friendly and after absolution he said nicely, “Okay if you remember any mortal sins you can come back another time”. I said to him, " Oh, I think I would know if I had committed a mortal sin!".🤷 Then when I thought about it and went to my second confession and I told him that I didn’t really know what were mortal sins, except for murder. He started listing all these sins and I kept answering oh, okay I did that and that and that etc.!
 
Venial Sin Gossip: Hey Jones, did you hear that Tim and Kate broke up on Saturday.
Greetings NewsTheMan,

How could this be gossip if one is just merely telling another? I get “updates” such as these freqeuntly and do not think of these as gossip. I probably need to go and ask my Confessor lol, I may be gossiping and not realizing it.

Thanks for pointing this out.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit
 
Greetings to those posting and or reading this thread,

I am still looking for that particular examanation of conscience. I should have never misplaced it. I used it for years.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit
 
How could this be gossip if one is just merely telling another? I get “updates” such as these freqeuntly and do not think of these as gossip. I probably need to go and ask my Confessor lol, I may be gossiping and not realizing it.
Hey there.

I suppose my example wasn’t as clear as it should be, it’s hard to capture in what sense something will be gossip and in what sense it would be considered news. A lot depends on the prevailing conversation I think, and what is said afterwards. A lot also depends on circumstantial things - like your relation to those who are being spoken about, what would there reaction be if they heard your conversation, etc. Perhaps that is a good starting point to know if it is gossip or legitimate news. Ask yourself - “would I say this in front of the people who it involves?”. So yes it is difficult but as the famous saying goes - you know it when you see it. Right? I think part of it is also an unnatural inclination or unjustified nosiness into the affairs of others. You know, why does it matter what Jimmy is doing with his life? If he wants you to know then he will tell you! See what I mean?
 
Hey there.

I suppose my example wasn’t as clear as it should be, it’s hard to capture in what sense something will be gossip and in what sense it would be considered news. A lot depends on the prevailing conversation I think, and what is said afterwards. A lot also depends on circumstantial things - like your relation to those who are being spoken about, what would there reaction be if they heard your conversation, etc. Perhaps that is a good starting point to know if it is gossip or legitimate news. Ask yourself - “would I say this in front of the people who it involves?”. So yes it is difficult but as the famous saying goes - you know it when you see it. Right? I think part of it is also an unnatural inclination or unjustified nosiness into the affairs of others. You know, why does it matter what Jimmy is doing with his life? If he wants you to know then he will tell you! See what I mean?
Greetings NewsTheMan,

Good advice and sound words. I guess it is because I am in a position at University where people come up and talk to me about their problems or what is going on in their friends lives. Sometimes I think I might perhaps be sinning by standing there and listening to it by encouraging them to continue on in their behaviours. I shall speak with my spiritual director about this.

Your post just pointed out something that may be needing to change in my life.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit
 
Hey there.

I suppose my example wasn’t as clear as it should be, it’s hard to capture in what sense something will be gossip and in what sense it would be considered news. A lot depends on the prevailing conversation I think, and what is said afterwards. A lot also depends on circumstantial things - like your relation to those who are being spoken about, what would there reaction be if they heard your conversation, etc. Perhaps that is a good starting point to know if it is gossip or legitimate news.** Ask yourself - “would I say this in front of the people who it involves?”**. So yes it is difficult but as the famous saying goes - you know it when you see it. Right? I think part of it is also an unnatural inclination or unjustified nosiness into the affairs of others. You know, why does it matter what Jimmy is doing with his life? If he wants you to know then he will tell you! See what I mean?
Yes, I second that this is great advice about how to decide if it is gossip or news. Thank you for this! And now I when I imagine the person I am talking about right there with me it will help to deter me from gossiping.
 
I guess it is because I am in a position at University where people come up and talk to me about their problems or what is going on in their friends lives. Sometimes I think I might perhaps be sinning by standing there and listening to it by encouraging them to continue on in their behaviours.
Again, this is where prudential judgement comes in. If someone comes to you with problems that are legitimate, you have good reason to listen. Examine first your reason for listening! If it merely to listen to scandal and please your appetites in that regard, you need to change something. If it is purely so that you may offer advice and help, you are doing things right. Remember that you can still listen while at the same time saying something like “spare me the details, I just want to know in what way I can help you?” In other words, instead of all the details just hear the overall problem. Perhaps that is the better way to think about it. Don’t worry too much about it - if your intentions are pure you will never be in sin. You can’t sin by mistake.
I shall speak with my spiritual director about this.
I think this is best! I’m no Moral Theologian nor anywhere near holy enough to be giving advice if that’s what it looks like I am doing. I’m only discussing my thoughts on the matter and am up for correction! Your Spiritual Director will know best.

God bless.
 
Yes, I second that this is great advice about how to decide if it is gossip or news. Thank you for this! And now I when I imagine the person I am talking about right there with me it will help to deter me from gossiping.
Greetings Onmyknees,

I have noticed and tried this out today and it has worked wonders for me. I hope that I am not seen as uncaring, but I have got quite a bit done today and with much peace.

Thanks NewsTheMan for your advice.

God Bless You Both,
Anathama Sit
 
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