The most grevious sin today?

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I am infuriated with abortion and partial birth abortion being held up as reasonable by society. But as personal as these painful public sins can be I think that there is a worse sin much more pervasive in our church then abortion in society.

The sin I am referring to is worse then abortion or murder because it is an attack directly against the person of Christ. It is catholic lay persons who are technically guilty of mortal sins, or are excommunicated for believing heresy or having not attended confession for an entire year. The get up and go up to recieve Holy Communion not recognising the true presence of Christ or having so little understanding or concern for Our Blessed Lord they do not care about the sacrelige. People must be taught the rules and laws of our Church.

They need to know that it is a sin to go against church teaching, it is a heresy to refuse to believe any dogma and like not attending confession for a year it is ipso facto excommunication. That means when the fact exists that you have not attended confession for one year you are automatically excommunicated. That being true in my parish about half the people attending are no longer catholic.

People who arrive after the gospel or leave before the dismissal have not attended mass which is a mortal sin if you do not attend on Sunday and Holy Days of obligation. It is a sin to leave the church after the dismissal and before the final hymn is completed.

Recieving Holy Communion unworthily robs the world of the graces the people who are in a state of grace are earning. That is one of the chief reasons we seem so ineffective in a world that needs grace like we need air.
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For one thing, work on the plank in your own eye before you point out the spot in anothers.

Secondly, much of what you say is not in accordance with the teachings of the Church.

Thirdly, we all wish we had the ability to look at others and expose what is wrong in their thinking or behavior, but keep in mind that we are also condemning ourselves when we do this. Pay less attention to the actions of others and more attention to your own. Jesus can handle everything, He really doesn’t need you or anyone else deciding who is excommunicated or “no longer Catholic.” Oh, and leave the imposition of Canon law to the Canon lawyers.
 
I know what I know because I have spent over fifty years in our church. I have watched while lines to confession which used to fill the church have diminished to the almost nothing while more people then ever recieve Holy Communion almost like not one person has cut themselves off from communion due to unconfessed mortal sins.

I attend mass pretty much daily. We no longer have evenings designated for confession as when I was young. Confession is available for half an hour before mass six days a week and I see who goes. Same people all the time. The ones who get it. My country may be unique maybe it is only in my country where people still sin. Not only do they sin but serious sin is much more common then when I was young when the lines to confession were so long. Cause and effect are not in alignment with reality.

So if half the people or more in the church are committing sacreligious acts in receiving Holy Communion which call out to heaven for vengenance then we are reducing the good that the Church is capable of doing just by the proper use of the sacraments.

I also apologize for the sacreligious comments made by outsiders who failing to see that we believe that in the Blessed Sacrament we recognise the sacramental presence of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. For us it should be worth living and dying for. For this issue is what drove most followers away from Christ. There are strong warnings in scripture against persons unworthily recieving the Holy Eucharist. Warning like let the persons be anathema meaning ‘banished’ and to be considered beyond the judgment and help of the community.
 
mandateman said:
I know what I know because I have spent over fifty years in our church. I have watched while lines to confession which used to fill the church have diminished to the almost nothing while more people then ever recieve Holy Communion almost like not one person has cut themselves off from communion due to unconfessed mortal sins.

I attend mass pretty much daily. We no longer have evenings designated for confession as when I was young. Confession is available for half an hour before mass six days a week and I see who goes. Same people all the time. The ones who get it. My country may be unique maybe it is only in my country where people still sin. Not only do they sin but serious sin is much more common then when I was young when the lines to confession were so long. Cause and effect are not in alignment with reality.

So if half the people or more in the church are committing sacreligious acts in receiving Holy Communion which call out to heaven for vengenance then we are reducing the good that the Church is capable of doing just by the proper use of the sacraments.

I also apologize for the sacreligious comments made by outsiders who failing to see that we believe that in the Blessed Sacrament we recognise the sacramental presence of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. For us it should be worth living and dying for. For this issue is what drove most followers away from Christ. There are strong warnings in scripture against persons unworthily recieving the Holy Eucharist. Warning like let the persons be anathema meaning ‘banished’ and to be considered beyond the judgment and help of the community.
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WEll written & full of truth!👍
 
teachccd said:
When Saul was having the early Christians killed, Jesus asked him on the road to Damascus, “Why are you persecuting me?” Abortion is just as violent an act against Jesus as sacrilegious reception of the Eucharist. I have no idea why one would pit one against the other. And I have to agree with the poster who stated that much of the OP’s post is judgmental and non-factual…teachccd
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In general, I’m just not getting where most of the posters on this forum think that most Catholics aren’t in a state of mortal sin.

There are never any lines for Confession. People regularly miss Mass on Sunday, the majority of the women are on birth control, the majority of the men watch porn and the majority of young couples are living together. I know in Christian charity we should not assume that any one specific person is doing these things but as a collective whole, this absolutely wounds the body of Christ. To stick your head in the sand and not acknowledge it is ridiculous. I just don’t see where the world is so Christ like that somehow the need to go to Confession once a year is abrogated.

Now most Catholics know what a mortal sin is; they just personally chose not to BELIEVE it is a mortal sin. Big, huge difference.
 
turtle18 said:
Now most Catholics know what a mortal sin is; they just personally chose not to BELIEVE it is a mortal sin. Big, huge difference.
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I have to respectfully disagree with you. Most Catholics do not know what mortal sin is. I teach the pre-baptism classes at our parish. I have been teaching them each month for the last eight years. A conservative number would indicate that 90% of my captive audience does not know what mortal sin is. Many have not even heard the term. Now I would admit that many are not your regular pewsitters but they identify themselves as Catholics and, by the virtue of their baptism, they are.

I make the same observations as you and the OP. Confession lines are down and I have held talks and classes on this very important Sacrament of Healing. The idea that most Catholics choose not to believe that certain grave matter can lead to mortal sin with full knowledge and full consent is not necessarily true. We know that because we are well catechized and have well formed consciences. But for many who just attend Mass, they are not hearing anything from the pulpit addressing the dangers of choices such as birth control (# 1 dissention) , missing Mass, and the many other serious offenses. I’ve spoken with many Catholics who serioulsy believe that if they haven’t killed anyone they don’t need confession. Our adult catechetics is severely lacking and it is definitely noticed.

No, my head is not in the sand. In fact, my head is sticking out in any way possible to teach our brothers and sisters what the Church teaches. I’m not sure how you concluded that my head was in the sand. I merely replied to the OP who states that sacreligious Eucharist is worse than abortion and I cannot see the difference. that is why I quoted Jesus when He tells Saul that killing Christians is actually killing Him. So, in proper discernment we cannot find abortion taking second fiddle to unworthy reception of the Eucharist. Both are extreme offenses against God and should be corrected accordingly.

Thank you for giving me this opportunity to clarify what perhaps could have been mistaken. God bless you…teachccd 🙂
 
I think that sometimes we overemphasis what full knowledge and consent mean. Full knowledge does not mean we have been educated in theology. It just means we have been informed that the church teaches that this is a sin. That is knowledge whether you chose to believe in the authority of the church is not the issue. If you have heard the six precepts of the Church you are bound to obey them you dont have to understand them techically. The same is true on any teaching of the Church if you have been informed that the church says that the use of condoms, or artificial birth control is a sin then that is sufficient knowledge.

It is not necessary to murder, rape or become a devil worshipper to commit a mortal sin. Most serious sin today is totally disgarded as unimportant like taking Our Lord’s Name in Vain. We hear it in movies and television blasphemies like the use of Our Blessed Lord’s name Jesus Christ. If all you have done is to have read the commandments that is sufficient knowledge then using Our Lord’s name or the name of God or any sacred person, place or thing in a disrespectful way is a sin. Often mortal. One unforgiven blasphemous use of Our Lord’s name is enough to send someone to hell forever.

So just to speaking sinfully about the pope, the sacraments, priests or holy objects are sins. Everything we say, think and do is serious stuff. Many of us even practicing Catholics take many things for granted or account things trivial that are actually mortal sins. If you hold something as trivial that is serious it does not prevent the act from being mortal.
 
Secret_Square said:
Most canon lawyers and other experts will tell you… the rule that you have to go to confession once a year strictly applies ONLY if you have mortal sins that need to be confessed in order for you to properly fulfill the “Easter duty” of receiving Communion at least once during the Lent or Easter seasons. (The whole concept of the Easter duty goes back to the Middle Ages when most Catholics presumed they were never or rarely worthy to receive the Eucharist at all, and had to be “forced” to receive at least once a year.)

However, if you’re talking about the bare minimum required by law, once a year IF you are aware of having committed a mortal sin is the rule.
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I have not heard of this before. Confesion is meant to be done regularly at least when mortal sin is committed. Even then a minumum of one year without confession is allowed after which one must go for confession. I would consider it a mortal sin not to go for confession more than one year because it clearly goes against the Church commandments.
 
Maybe one of the problems today is that we turn to canon lawyers to explain everything and they dont always agree with each other as to the meaning of law. I think better to turn to the church teaching and take the traditional view as held by the saints. In most cases that will be right.

Many serious sins today are thought to no longer be laws. Like the law on abstaining from meat on Friday it has not been removed. It may have been adapted by the local authority to be fulfilled by an act of charity but if one does neither the act of charity nor the abstaining from meat. Then the person is guilty of not abstaining which is a serious sin. Even if the Bishop allows the fast to be replaced by an act of charity or some other pious devotion a person can chose to abstain from meat and will then have fulfilled the requirements on Friday.

The six precepts of the Catholic Church are every bit as binding under penalty of sin as are the commandments. From missing mass on Sundays and Holy days of Obligation to Attending Confession at least once a year and even giving to the support of the Church.

I hear Catholics all the time who excuse themselves from obedience to church law by saying that their conscience tells them that it is not as important as the church suggests. Then they point out that they have been taught we have an obligation to obey our conscience.

This is a misguided conscience. The only time we may use our conscience is when the church has made no statement. But if the church has made a statement or a law we as Catholics are bound to obey. The rules for conscience start with an informed conscience.
We must then be in a state of grace and we must have the intention to do what Jesus would want us to do. But always without exception we must accept the teachings of the church which is our only certain divine guide. The church speaks for God. If I must chose between my understanding of the Bible or the teaching of the church the church is always correct. People’s perception of the Bible is often not correct.
 
Reuben_J said:
What a sad state of affair that is. 😦
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Its true, they dont, & they dont want to know, because ignorance is bliss, I have often wondered how so many Catholics who attend mass, could possibly not know what is a sin, cause they dont want to know, thats why. The Church also knows that many Catholics approach the altar knowing that they need reconciliation, & they commit a sacriledge
 
From John Paul II “Memory and Identity” (see my other thread):

The Sin Which “Will Not Be Forgiven”
“Man cannot get back onto his feet unaided: he needs the help of the Holy Spirit. If he refuses this help, he commits what Christ called “the blasphemy against the Spirit,” the sin which “will not be forgiven” (Matthew 12:31). Why will it not be forgiven? Because it means there is no desire for pardon. Man refuses the love and the mercy of God, since he believes himself to be God. He believes himself to be capable of self-sufficiency.”

Just happened to notice an answer that John Paul II might have posted…

In Christ,

dj
 
Abortion is not “worse” but simply a more specific instance of what Jesus was referring to.
 
Recently at mass a priest asked the congregation how many wanted to become a saint? Only three or four people raised their hands. Then he asked how many wanted to become holy and twenty or thirty raised their hands. Then he asked how many wanted to go to heaven and everyone raised their hands.

He of course explained that there is some major mistake in what a saint is. Because if you are not going to become a saint you are not going to be going to heaven. All people who get to heaven are saints. Almost all people even canonized saints pass through purgatory.
 
The most grevious sin today is asking what the most grievous sin today is.
 
I think the most grievous sin today, is not to allow the Holy Spirit to have any influence over our life and our decisions.When a person refuses to follow the Holy Spirit and goes ahead and does what society wants even though he/she is convicted by the Spirit that what they are doing is wrong. When this happens then you have such things as abortion, partial-birth abortions and all kinds of other heinous abominations within mankind. So, yes, in this sense this is a worse sin because this leads to all others.
 
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