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irishpatrick
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The human race as it currently exists will NOT live on forever.
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BlueShadow123
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I think the most important question is “How was this all made”.
Because if it was made by a god, then you can automatically assume there is a reason for it, which means you must have a purpose.
However even in the evolutionary perspective, we have reached a point that we are able to understand emotions and decide what is best for us. We are able to live with purpose even without believing in god. Atheists make their own purpose in life.
Although the real nature purpose for any animal is to survive and keep the species going.
Because if it was made by a god, then you can automatically assume there is a reason for it, which means you must have a purpose.
However even in the evolutionary perspective, we have reached a point that we are able to understand emotions and decide what is best for us. We are able to live with purpose even without believing in god. Atheists make their own purpose in life.
Although the real nature purpose for any animal is to survive and keep the species going.
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irishpatrick
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The problem that I see with your question is that it can (and does) lead people to not even think about the possibility of God.
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Rocinante
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if you were hungry, i bet a more important question would be “how can i get some food?” and i bet your purpose at the moment–to find something to eat–would be very clear.
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BlueShadow123
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And thats the whole point.
Its good to figure out if there is or isnt one.
Whats your point?
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BlueShadow123
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I think thats a spur of the moment question.
Sure, we need to survive but I’d still like to know if there is or isnt a god. I found my answer but that might not be the answer for others.
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Turlock2
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Perhaps before asking such an cosmically important question, it might be useful to examine who or what is asking the question. I know it might seem silly or redundant, but what if we think about it for a moment.
: You are most likely sitting at a computer if you are reading this. What then is different and the same about your computer and all the computers that exist? All computers are the same in that they operate by the grace of electricity physically modified and manipulated by circuitry and instrumentation. All computers are different insofar as operating systems, memory capacity, software and several many other things.
They are the same in that they are connected to the source of electricity in principle if not in physicality. I meant that electricity is what it is even if it is generated and used in North America or in Wherever. So all computers have the same “spirit” or “life energy” as one another.
But pick up a computer from ten years ago, or consider that your cell phone is far advanced beyond what landed men on the moon, and you will note that there are modifications to the use of computers that still depend on the laws and principles of electricity.
Now just pick a computer from all the computers ever made and call it “you.” It has a certain capacity and certain software. It has things in its memory you put there. It came as a blnk, but now it has things and levels of software you put there but you only see the surface of as the screen you pay attention to. That screen is your world, and you don’t see what’s going on behind it, even if you have some idea and can manipulate that to some extentent.
Now in the history of computers of our type, we have been using an operting system called “Image and Likeness of God.” It actually is a way to experience electricity directly. But in the 190,000 years we have had that most of us never even thought to call it that or anything else. Many still don’t. Or they call it a lot of things depending on what software was loaded by their upbringing. And that had different versions, one of which took hold with a group of people about 2000 years ago. Eventually they got their version of an operating manual together and finalized it about 1700 years ago. Other groups similarly got their versions of operating manuals together sooner or later than that. And of course they pass the manual and porograms on to their families and friends similarly to how we use pirated or bought versions of just about everything.
Of course, because of other software, it’s all interactive in our computers, no matter how the program is named, say, according to religious preference, no two computers really have the same exact version of such a program even if all the major points match. But one thing is sure: we are convinced that our operating manual and our programing it the one true prgramming. WE even defend it by showing other computer users how well ours works for us, ignoring tht theris works equally well for them. But ours is true because it s ours, and we have proof becuse we have our manual and our helpdesk that verifies that.
But one day the computer crashes and there is just light on the screen. No icons, no clickables, no screensaver, just light. Dancing electrons. Holy Cow!!! Now what? I am seeing only that there is electricity in my computer giving me a lit screen. That, ultimately is the Truth of my computer: It is lit by the grace of electricity. Everything else is added on. The computer itself didn’t exist and at sometime won’t exist. But now it is letting me see that there is only electricity to its Truth. And from that electicity came ALL the images and clicables and colors and information and connections and everything I could imagine or not imagine.
but suddenly I’m back on line and I see pictures again and can type and go to sites and blah blah blah! But now I see that no matter what my intellect makes of the shapes on teh screen, it is ALL dancing electrons. All of it. Including my operating manual and my software. They are all just shapes of electricity, just like anyone else’s computer is just shapes of electricity.
So what is real? Is it the shapes, or is it the electricity? Untill you see a blamk screen you wold think that the shapes are real. And they are. But their passing reality is derivative of the Reality of the electrons. And so is a piece of software no matter what you call it or what tricks it can do. So when you see this, you might, if you have the right curiosity, become more interested in what the electricity is about in its ability to be both this and that, than in proving that your particular software is the one and only true prgramming.
It’s as simple and as complicated as that. What is my own essence before I have thoughts in my head about food, money, politics, my relationships, or about Jesus? Where did that software about Jesus and God come from? Is it some of that software I got handed because I was in this line of computer software? It might be accurate, or even veryu accurate. Or it might have its Real accuracy hidden by my fascination with the shapes it puts on my screen. So, if I am made in the image and likeness of God, then that which is needed to know that is already in and as the Principle of the computer before it was added unto with programs describing with more or less accuracy what it is about. So my first question and most important one is “What am I?” Am I what the dancing images on the screen tell me? Or can I know for myself because my pattern is the Image and Liekness of God? All I have to do is ask “Is this picture God? Is this next one God? THe next? or the next?” Allthe pictures are still there to enjoy, but if you ask, you might discover where they come from before you were given a program.
God Bless.
: You are most likely sitting at a computer if you are reading this. What then is different and the same about your computer and all the computers that exist? All computers are the same in that they operate by the grace of electricity physically modified and manipulated by circuitry and instrumentation. All computers are different insofar as operating systems, memory capacity, software and several many other things.
They are the same in that they are connected to the source of electricity in principle if not in physicality. I meant that electricity is what it is even if it is generated and used in North America or in Wherever. So all computers have the same “spirit” or “life energy” as one another.
But pick up a computer from ten years ago, or consider that your cell phone is far advanced beyond what landed men on the moon, and you will note that there are modifications to the use of computers that still depend on the laws and principles of electricity.
Now just pick a computer from all the computers ever made and call it “you.” It has a certain capacity and certain software. It has things in its memory you put there. It came as a blnk, but now it has things and levels of software you put there but you only see the surface of as the screen you pay attention to. That screen is your world, and you don’t see what’s going on behind it, even if you have some idea and can manipulate that to some extentent.
Now in the history of computers of our type, we have been using an operting system called “Image and Likeness of God.” It actually is a way to experience electricity directly. But in the 190,000 years we have had that most of us never even thought to call it that or anything else. Many still don’t. Or they call it a lot of things depending on what software was loaded by their upbringing. And that had different versions, one of which took hold with a group of people about 2000 years ago. Eventually they got their version of an operating manual together and finalized it about 1700 years ago. Other groups similarly got their versions of operating manuals together sooner or later than that. And of course they pass the manual and porograms on to their families and friends similarly to how we use pirated or bought versions of just about everything.
Of course, because of other software, it’s all interactive in our computers, no matter how the program is named, say, according to religious preference, no two computers really have the same exact version of such a program even if all the major points match. But one thing is sure: we are convinced that our operating manual and our programing it the one true prgramming. WE even defend it by showing other computer users how well ours works for us, ignoring tht theris works equally well for them. But ours is true because it s ours, and we have proof becuse we have our manual and our helpdesk that verifies that.
But one day the computer crashes and there is just light on the screen. No icons, no clickables, no screensaver, just light. Dancing electrons. Holy Cow!!! Now what? I am seeing only that there is electricity in my computer giving me a lit screen. That, ultimately is the Truth of my computer: It is lit by the grace of electricity. Everything else is added on. The computer itself didn’t exist and at sometime won’t exist. But now it is letting me see that there is only electricity to its Truth. And from that electicity came ALL the images and clicables and colors and information and connections and everything I could imagine or not imagine.
but suddenly I’m back on line and I see pictures again and can type and go to sites and blah blah blah! But now I see that no matter what my intellect makes of the shapes on teh screen, it is ALL dancing electrons. All of it. Including my operating manual and my software. They are all just shapes of electricity, just like anyone else’s computer is just shapes of electricity.
So what is real? Is it the shapes, or is it the electricity? Untill you see a blamk screen you wold think that the shapes are real. And they are. But their passing reality is derivative of the Reality of the electrons. And so is a piece of software no matter what you call it or what tricks it can do. So when you see this, you might, if you have the right curiosity, become more interested in what the electricity is about in its ability to be both this and that, than in proving that your particular software is the one and only true prgramming.
It’s as simple and as complicated as that. What is my own essence before I have thoughts in my head about food, money, politics, my relationships, or about Jesus? Where did that software about Jesus and God come from? Is it some of that software I got handed because I was in this line of computer software? It might be accurate, or even veryu accurate. Or it might have its Real accuracy hidden by my fascination with the shapes it puts on my screen. So, if I am made in the image and likeness of God, then that which is needed to know that is already in and as the Principle of the computer before it was added unto with programs describing with more or less accuracy what it is about. So my first question and most important one is “What am I?” Am I what the dancing images on the screen tell me? Or can I know for myself because my pattern is the Image and Liekness of God? All I have to do is ask “Is this picture God? Is this next one God? THe next? or the next?” Allthe pictures are still there to enjoy, but if you ask, you might discover where they come from before you were given a program.
God Bless.
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irishpatrick
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Trying to look at our origins, while excluding God, is most unwise.And thats the whole point.
Its good to figure out if there is or isnt one.
Whats your point?
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BlueShadow123
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Well tell that to all the atheists, not me.
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lemondiesel
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What if suicide was used, based solely on curiosity?
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irishpatrick
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You asked. Correct?
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BlueShadow123
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All you did was restate my point.
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irishpatrick
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You asked me what my point was, so I gave you the answer.
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winagain
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Am I awake? Or do I mistake my sensations, thoughts and their trains for Reality?
Am I more involved with what I am ignorantly doing with the God given tool of my intellect than I am in finding out how it actually works, especially in the distinction between belief and knowledge?
Do I fully and experientially understand that I am not my thoughts? Do I understand that thoughts are contents and I forgo looking at the container and its nature in favor of being emotionally and intellectually attached to my prejudices of who and what I am?
Do I fully understand how and why and through whom I acquired my religion, whatever that might be?
Those might be a good start.
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