The Most revered woman in History- But not by Protestants

[Marybeloved]

This is a bonafide fact, thanks to Catholics, Orthodox and even Muslims! Who honor the mother of Christ among all women, a little fact that I find very interesting considering the words of the Archangel, st. Elizabeth and the Virgin herself under the influence of the Holy Spirit.

How do the protestants who constantly rail against this woman square that attitude with God’s proclamation and prophecy about her and its amazing fulfillment among Catholics and Orthodox (even Muslims!) better than the vast majority of Protestant Christians?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Marybeloved, should you have the opportunity read “Mary Through the Centurys” by Prof. Jaroslav Pelikan.

 

[Cat]

This is a bonafide fact, thanks to Catholics, Orthodox and even Muslims! Who honor the mother of Christ among all women, a little fact that I find very interesting considering the words of the Archangel, st. Elizabeth and the Virgin herself under the influence of the Holy Spirit.

How do the protestants who constantly rail against this woman square that attitude with God’s proclamation and prophecy about her and its amazing fulfillment among Catholics and Orthodox (even Muslims!) better than the vast majority of Protestant Christians?

Protestants do not “constantly rail against this woman.” Most Protestants are respectful of Mary and honor her as the Mother of God.

Many Protestants and Protestant denominations object to what they see as “worship” of a fellow human being, who in their Biblically-based theology, is sinful even as they are (Romans 3:23). To them, this is blatant idolatry.

Also, they do not understand the difference between worship and veneration.

That is is the answer to your question–Protestants have never heard or read an apologetic for the Marian doctrines. Many Protestants, when they DO hear or read an apologetic for Marian doctrines, DO accept them.

And many do not accept the doctrines, not necessarily because they think the doctrines are false, but because of intense internal and external pressure to remain loyal to the Protestant church and people that they were born and raised with.

It is no easy thing to walk away from a church that you have been part of all your life and have believed is telling you the truth. I should know–I’ve done it (evangelical Protestant for the first 47 years of my life before converting to Catholicism).

 

[CompSciGuy]

This is a bonafide fact, thanks to Catholics, Orthodox and even Muslims! Who honor the mother of Christ among all women, a little fact that I find very interesting considering the words of the Archangel, st. Elizabeth and the Virgin herself under the influence of the Holy Spirit.

How do the protestants who constantly rail against this woman square that attitude with God’s proclamation and prophecy about her and its amazing fulfillment among Catholics and Orthodox (even Muslims!) better than the vast majority of Protestant Christians?

I think the fact that since Catholics, Orthodox and especially Muslims honor her above all women, these are viewed by protestants as more reasons not to honor her.

 

[Marybeloved]

Protestants do not “constantly rail against this woman.” Most Protestants are respectful of Mary and honor her as the Mother of God.

Ummh…That’s why my sentence was “The Protestants who constantly rail against her”- Your “quotation” above is a thorough misquotation.

I’m sorry, But I’ve attended only Protestant Schools and live only with them at home, where TBN and God TV are the only channels constantly booming in the House. What veneration is there when the only time she’s mentioned is never to praise her but to stress just how much she should not be praised! I only ever heard one mentioning of Our Lady in school that was not a criticism.

How exactly do those Protestants (majority) who only talk about her when complaining honor her, then? They wont even call her the Mother of God! when they insist that Jesus is God! The Muslims certainly do not worship Mary, But their honoring of her is so obvious even in their manner of speaking and praises of her as the holy and most important woman in humanity- Just how do these Protestants who fear “worship of Mary” honor her “rightly” then? By making her the most insignificant person in the Bible?

Peace.

 

[JonathonofOhio]

I just have two things to say:

This:
“And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

And This:
youtube.com/watch?v=kUdYeYy3NQA

 

[GaryTaylor]

In fact I hear Mother of Jesus more than anything. Which in truth is heresy. Of course we are not lumping “all” protestants into one bowl.

However even those who reach the 7th ecumenical council seem to be a bit short in context/content which in their interpretation thus becomes, pretext.

Here, EWTN and SBN are exactly right next to each other, so I stop over and listen especially when they are taking calls

Listen to it for a few moments next time Jimmy Swaggart and company are on. You might hear anything, but you won’t hear Mother of God, or hear any Love Thy Neighbor as You Love Yourself for Catholics. In fact your more likely to hear Catholic Cult, and a warning to “Run Out of There” Any where pray tell should you go to confess your sins when your old, grey and dying? I know of only one place as GK Chesterton states, to paraphase, …the Catholic Church.

Ah but let us proceed with Love and Charity.

Peace

 

[Marybeloved]

I think the fact that since Catholics, Orthodox and especially Muslims honor her above all women, these are viewed by protestants as more reasons not to honor her.

So, Muslim attitude lining up better with Archangel Gabriel’s is not something that a Christian ought to be embarrassed about?

 

[VENETI3]

Im not sure i understand your question… Are you trying to find a way for a protestant to be able to honor Mary? Or just venting about their ignorance
I too know how frusting they can be… Im always wearing a Madonna medal around my neck and people (protestants) have actually come up to me and told me to take it off, beliefs or not thats just plain rude:shrug:

 

[Marybeloved]

Im not sure i understand your question… Are you trying to find a way for a protestant to be able to honor Mary? Or just venting about their ignorance

Both, I guess.

Muslims do not believe that Christ is God or that Mary is “the Mother of God”- To them we commit idolatry when we say and believe so. YET somehow they manage to honor them both very respectfully in a manner which they consider appropriate for a Prophet and a woman very close herself to the status of “Prophet”. They do this while they accuse us of idolatry! … Why don’t the Protestants who vent so much against Mary show her the “proper honor” even while they accuse Catholics of idolatry? How can a Muslim honor the Mother of Christ better than a Christian? Some don’t even consider it blasphemous to say the most horrid things about the woman they supposedly believe to be the Mother of a man they claim to be God himself!

So, both- venting- and wondering why they can’t honor her at least in a manner that rivals the Muslims?

 

[VENETI3]

Muslims’ honor of Mary is definetly unique (she is the only woman mentioned in the koran, and she has more mentions in there than she does in the bible ) but that is because muslims do believe that Jesus was/ and will be the again the missiah, but they do not believe that the missiah is the Son of God, they believe that they are a continuance of Christianity, which is a continuence and Judiaism. Odd, i know

But as far as protestants go, it would seem that they will do anything they can to further themselves from the Catholic Church, even if it means blaspheming the Mother of God. But i do believe that with many of them there is hope. I was very lucky over the summer to be given an oppertunity to explain our beliefs in Mary to an inquiring protestant, and basically what i learned is that they just dont know about her. They actually believe that we WORSHIP her and put her ‘on the same level’ as Christ- guess the definition of monotheists isnt clear enough

 

[Eruvande]

It’s a swing of the pendulum too far, I suppose. Partly a reaction to the part of Catholicism that seems to put Mary and Jesus on the same level - I dare say, some of True Devotion by Louis de Montfort comes across as doing this, despite the disclaimers in the footnotes. It’s all about perspective.

 

[Jesus_123]

This is a bonafide fact, thanks to Catholics, Orthodox and even Muslims! Who honor the mother of Christ among all women, a little fact that I find very interesting considering the words of the Archangel, st. Elizabeth and the Virgin herself under the influence of the Holy Spirit.

How do the protestants who constantly rail against this woman square that attitude with God’s proclamation and prophecy about her and its amazing fulfillment among Catholics and Orthodox (even Muslims!) better than the vast majority of Protestant Christians?

+In all charity and peace . . .

Our country here in the United States was founded essentially by protestant Christian children of God . . . and there . . . **isn’t any evidence whatsoever ** . . . in our protestant Christian nation’s history of disrespect or irreverence toward the Holy Mother of . . . Jesus . . . **the Blessed Christ **. . . among our founding fathers re their **Christian Faith **. . . or in our religious history . . . quite the contrary . . . among the vastly predominant numbers of Christian protestant children of God here in this country . . . to have done so would have been unthinkable . . . and particularly at Christmas time the Blessed Virgin Mary is highly revered, constantly represented, reverenced and honored almost everywhere with her **Holy Child **and the Blessed St. Joseph . . . throughout our country . . . in productions of the magnificent holy Handel’s Messiah in practically every city in our blessed country . . . in the singing of wonderful Christmas Carols and Christmas songs broadcast all over our nation . . . in teachings re the holy family and the birth of Christ in every **Christian **church during the Christmas season . . . on volumes and volumes of Christmas Cards . . . in children’s Christmas pageants and concerts lifting up the Holy Mother and the birth of the Baby Jesus in just about every Christian protestant church as well as our Catholic churches throughout our nation . . .

And quite frankly . . . in all my many years on this earth . . .*** I’ve never once** heard a protestant “rail against” the Blessed Virgin Mary *. . . not one Christian protestant I know would ever even consider such an . . . utterly unholy activity . . . and I’ve known many, many devout Christian protestants who deeply love the Lord and His Holy Mother . . . though they may not understand the full range and scope of our Holy Mother’s ministry in Christ our Lord such as we have been blessed with the knowledge of as Catholics . . . such agressive bitterness against Mary simply doesn’t exist among any Christian protestants or in any Christian protestant church I’ve ever heard of . . . nor has it even approached the thoughts and minds of the many dear protestant **Christian **children of God I’ve known over these many years in this country . . . Catholics by no means have a monopoly on loving and revering Mary . . .

*In dedication to the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart . . . *

. . . all for Jesus+
. . . thank You Blessed Lord our Saviour and our God+
. . . thank You Gracious Heavenly Father+
. . . thank You Sweet Spirit of our Holy God+
. . . thank you Blessed Virgin Mary our Mother+
. . . thank you Blessed Holy Mother Church+
. . .​

 

[Marybeloved]

+In all charity and peace . . .

Our country here in the United States was founded essentially by protestant Christian children of God . . . and there . . . **isn’t any evidence whatsoever ** . . . in our protestant Christian nation’s history of disrespect or irreverence toward the Holy Mother of . . . Jesus . . . **the Blessed Christ **. . . among our founding fathers re their **Christian Faith **. . . or in our religious history . . . quite the contrary . . . among the vastly predominant numbers of Christian protestant children of God here in this country . . . to have done so would have been unthinkable . . . and particularly at Christmas time the Blessed Virgin Mary is highly revered, constantly represented, reverenced and honored almost everywhere with her **Holy Child **and the Blessed St. Joseph . . . throughout our country . . . in productions of the magnificent holy Handel’s Messiah in practically every city in our blessed country . . . in the singing of wonderful Christmas Carols and Christmas songs broadcast all over our nation . . . in teachings re the holy family and the birth of Christ in every **Christian **church during the Christmas season . . . on volumes and volumes of Christmas Cards . . . in children’s Christmas pageants and concerts lifting up the Holy Mother and the birth of the Baby Jesus in just about every Christian protestant church as well as our Catholic churches throughout our nation . . .

And quite frankly . . . in all my many years on this earth . . .*** I’ve never once*** heard a protestant “rail against” the Blessed Virgin Mary . . . not one Christian protestant I know would ever even consider such an . . . utterly unholy activity . . . and I’ve known many, many devout Christian protestants who deeply love the Lord and His Holy Mother . . . though they may not understand the full range and scope of our Holy Mother’s ministry in Christ our Lord such as we have been blessed with the knowledge of as Catholics . . . such agressive bitterness against Mary simply doesn’t exist among any Christian protestants or in any Christian protestant church I’ve ever heard of . . . nor has it even approached the thoughts and minds of the many dear protestant **Christian **children of God I’ve known over these many years in this country . . . Catholics by no means have a monopoly on loving and revering Mary . . .

*In dedication to the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart . . . *

. . . all for Jesus+
. . . thank You Blessed Lord our Saviour and our God+
. . . thank You Gracious Heavenly Father+
. . . thank You Sweet Spirit of our Holy God+
. . . thank you Blessed Virgin Mary our Mother+
. . . thank you Blessed Holy Mother Church+
. . .​

With all due respect to you and your country, isn’t John Hagee (and his many friends) American? Isn’t TBN?

 

[liturgyluver]

This is a bonafide fact, thanks to Catholics, Orthodox and even Muslims! Who honor the mother of Christ among all women, a little fact that I find very interesting considering the words of the Archangel, st. Elizabeth and the Virgin herself under the influence of the Holy Spirit.

How do the protestants who constantly rail against this woman square that attitude with God’s proclamation and prophecy about her and its amazing fulfillment among Catholics and Orthodox (even Muslims!) better than the vast majority of Protestant Christians?

I don’t know if the situation may be different in Africa, but I have worked with and alongside different protestant denominations for many years and have never heard one ever rail against the Virgin Mary. I have met some extreme evangelicals who exhibit some reserve to Catholics because they wrongly believe we worship Mary, until they properly understand why and how we revere her.

It is wrong of you to suggest that “the vast majority” of Protestants are anti-Marian. All the main protestant denominations respect Mary: Anglicans have at least 3 feast days dedicated to Mary and their churches often have Lady Chapels and statues of Mary and they recite the Angelus, and they have some great Marian hymns (Sing we of the Blessed Mother and For Mary Mother of our God to name but two) Also like Lutherans, they sing the Magnificat as part of the evening office.

And the protestant reformers had nothing but warm words for Mary: Matin Luther said she was “the hghest woman” and that “we can never honour her enough”; Calvin said that in choosing her to be the Mother of God she was granted the greatest honour, and even Zwingli said “The more the honour and love of Christ grows among men, so much the esteem and honour given to Mary should grow.”

 

[Marybeloved]

I don’t know if the situation may be different in Africa, but I have worked with and alongside different protestant denominations for many years and have never heard one ever rail against the Virgin Mary. I have met some extreme evangelicals who exhibit some reserve to Catholics because they wrongly believe we worship Mary, until they properly understand why and how we revere her.

It is wrong of you to suggest that “the vast majority” of Protestants are anti-Marian. All the main protestant denominations respect Mary: Anglicans have at least 3 feast days dedicated to Mary and their churches often have Lady Chapels and statues of Mary and they recite the Angelus, and they have some great Marian hymns (Sing we of the Blessed Mother and For Mary Mother of our God to name but two) Also like Lutherans, they sing the Magnificat as part of the evening office.

And the protestant reformers had nothing but warm words for Mary: Matin Luther said she was “the hghest woman” and that “we can never honour her enough”; Calvin said that in choosing her to be the Mother of God she was granted the greatest honour, and even Zwingli said “The more the honour and love of Christ grows among men, so much the esteem and honour given to Mary should grow.”

I know what the reformers said about Our Lady- I often use it in apologetics with Protestants . Certainly, Anglocans and Lutherans are in no way representative of even a quarter of all Protestants.

Show me where I said the vast majority of Protestants are “anti-marian”? I said clearly in the post of mine you quoted that Muslims honor her much better than Protestants and indicated (I don’t retract it) that Protestants in fact, Do not honor her- if so, where are the examples?- Of all the many modern Protestant groups? Perhaps you think it’s OK for some Christians to only mention Mary about once in a year when telling the Christmas story, and then in other times to do it only when complaining about veneration given to her while not according to her (by example) the right honor to be given in fulfillment of Biblical praise of her- I think it’s positively shameful! In fact, I think that lack of honor when it comes to a woman we believe to be *the Mother of God *even without direct insults, amounts to disrespect. It simply should be there, visibly, even if just in the manner of speaking about her, like with the Muslims.

I find it quite strange that anyone would deny the obvious fact of the sidelining of Mary in most Protestant groups. This is not an “African” thing- In fact most Protestants who attack our faith here in Africa get their material from the West, just as Catholic apologists here get our stuff from there as well, so your denial is truly quite puzzling .

 

[Marybeloved]

Ummh… excuse me, but Anti- Marian speaks of something much more hostile than side-lining!

 

[Marybeloved]

I’m pretty sure I have said most/majority of Protestants and protestant groups- Not once have I said “all”- I don’t know what sweeping statements you mean. Are you saying that in fact most protestant denominations do not belong to your first group of “indifferent” up there?

 

[Eruvande]

Certainly. As is often the case, when things are properly explained, things ‘seem’ very different.

 

[liturgyluver]

I know what the reformers said about Our Lady- I often use it in apologetics with Protestants . Certainly, Anglocans and Lutherans are in no way representative of even a quarter of all Protestants.

Show me where I said the vast majority of Protestants are “anti-marian”? I said clearly in the post of mine you quoted that Muslims honor her much better than Protestants and indicated (I don’t retract it) that Protestants in fact, Do not honor her- if so, where are the examples?- Of all the many modern Protestant groups? Perhaps you think it’s OK for some Christians to only mention Mary about once in a year when telling the Christmas story, and then in other times to do it only when complaining about veneration given to her while not according to her (by example) the right honor to be given in fulfillment of Biblical praise of her- I think it’s positively shameful! In fact, I think that lack of honor when it comes to a woman we believe to be *the Mother of God *even without direct insults, amounts to disrespect. It simply should be there, visibly, even if just in the manner of speaking about her, like with the Muslims.

I find it quite strange that anyone would deny the obvious fact of the sidelining of Mary in most Protestant groups. This is not an “African” thing- In fact most Protestants who attack our faith here in Africa get their material from the West, just as Catholic apologists here get our stuff from there as well, so your denial is truly quite puzzling .

Perhaps I misunderstood, but by using “rail against this woman” and “majority of protestants” in the same sentence, the clear implication to me (and to others clearly) was that you were saying that the majority of protestants are anti-Marian.

Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists and the reformed Churches who fall into the category I was describing account for about half of the worldwide protestant denominations. I haven’t included Baptists but know they vary from the theologically conservative to the more independent.

I agree with you that disrespect to Mary is unnaceptable but the fact remains for this well-travelled European Catholic, I have never seen or heard any of the traits that you ascribe.