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zarthan
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Who is identified as the mother of us all in sacred scripture?
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StTommyMore
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In Genesis, Eve is the “mother of all living,” but Mary, at the foot of the Christ is the Mother of the Beloved Disciple (John), who is symbolic of the Church.
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Cat_Herder
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[BIBLEDRB]Revelation 12:1[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Revelation 12:4[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Revelation 12:17[/BIBLEDRB]
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zarthan
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As it is written, Eve is called by Adam, “the mother of all the living” in Genesis 3:20. Who is symbolic of the Church in your statement? Mary or the Beloved Disciple (John)?
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zarthan
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So, we are to assume that the woman of Rev.12:7 is the mother of us all.
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thistle
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Are you kidding or don’t you understand the function of punctuation?
The poster says its Mary!
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zarthan
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I do not understand the function of punctuation very well. So, are you saying that Mary is the mother of all, or the church is the mother of all?
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on_eagles_wingz
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The church is the body of Christ. John represents the church (I’m not sure which scripture that is from though). Jesus appointed Mary to be John’s mother just before he died on the cross. So, Mary is the mother of the church. Even without John in the picture, Mary is the mother of Jesus and the church is the body of christ, so Mary is still our mother.
All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it.
(1 Corinthians 12:27 NLT)
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Dear woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
(John 19:26-27 NIV)
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zarthan
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Thank you for clarifying, I thought the original poster was saying that the beloved disciple symbolizes the church, but I was not sure.
What do you think of this scripture? Gal.5:4:26-28 “But the Jerusalem above is freeborn, and she is our mother.
For it is written: ‘Rejoice, you barren one who bore no children; break forth and shout, you who were not in labor; for more numerous are children of the deserted one than of her who has a husband’.
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of the promise. But just as then the child of the flesh persecuted the child of the spirit, it is the same now.”
These scriptures seem to be saying that heavenly Jerusalem is the mother of us all through the Spirit of God.
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guanophore
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In John’s Gospel we see Jesus’ custom of referring to His Mother as “Woman”. This title demonstrates her to be the Mother of all Living, the new Eve.
The “disciple whom Jesus loved” that stood with his mother at the foot of the cross was never named in the gospel. For this reason, all disciples of Jesus who are loved by Him can be represented by that disciple.
However, the Church, as a corporate of all the believers (both male and female) is the Bride of Christ. So, we are at once the beloved disciple individually, and corporately the Bride.
The beloved disciple is given into the care of His Mother. Yet, John did not need another Mother (his own birth mother was standing nearby). This is why we see the gift as a spiritual one, where all the disciples loved by the Lord are given into the care of His mother.
No, her mothership comes only from her Son, who is destined to rule all nations. It is spiritual, not physical, since she is mother only to those who “obey the commandments of her Son”.
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guanophore
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Indeed.
Mary, as the first Christian, is a member of the Heavenly Jerusalem, as is John, the beloved Apostle. Mary is our mother individually, as Jesus gave all of His beloved disciples into her care from the cross.
The Church is our mother corporately, as she is the Bride of Christ.
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zarthan
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Yes, the church is the mother of us all as the heavenly Jerusalem, and this heavenly Jerusalem is spoken of as the bride of Christ in Rev.21:9.Indeed.
Mary, as the first Christian, is a member of the Heavenly Jerusalem, as is John, the beloved Apostle. Mary is our mother individually, as Jesus gave all of His beloved disciples into her care from the cross.
The Church is our mother corporately, as she is the Bride of Christ.
Irenaeus in Book II, chap. 35, para 2 speaks of this.
Tertullian in Book III, chap XXV and in Book V, chap. XV speaks of this.
Origin De Principis in Book IV, Chap 1, 22 speaks of this.
Cyprian in his Treatises, Testamonies 19 speaks of this.
The Homily (possibly by Clement of Rome) in chap. 11 speaks of this.
As the first Eve was wife and mother, so too, is the Bride of Christ spiritually with Jesus Christ our Lord.
So, Mary is a spiritual mother to us individually, even as the scriptures speaks of the individual spiritual children of Abraham.
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StTommyMore
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I just want to thank those that cleared up my explanation. I have not been on much lately due to papers and whatnot.
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