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I wish I could be clearer with the title of this thread. What I want to know is, what is the name for the plate held out to catch the Precious Body during communion, in case any falls?

I have been having trouble describing what I am looking for, and am hoping some of the smart people here would be able to provide an answer.
 
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Jmburgard:
I wish I could be clearer with the title of this thread. What I want to know is, what is the name for the plate held out to catch the Precious Body during communion, in case any falls?

I have been having trouble describing what I am looking for, and am hoping some of the smart people here would be able to provide an answer.
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I’ve heard it referred to as the altar plate.
 
JMS is correct, it is the paten. (prounced with the a as in cat)
 
No, not “paten”, “altar plate” or “communion pallet”.

It is a “Communion-plate”. This is name for it in the 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum.
“[93.] The Communion-plate for the Communion of the faithful should be retained, so as to avoid the danger of the sacred host or some fragment of it falling.”
It the 1975 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) Communion by intinction is described, including in 246b):
“The communicants approach, make the proper reverence, stand in front of the priest, and hold the communion plate below their chin.”
In the 2002 GIRM there is a hypen: “287. If Communion from the chalice is carried out by intinction, each communicant, holding a communion-plate under the chin, approaches the priest …”. There are links to this at romanrite.com/girm.html
 
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RoseMarie:
It -used- to be the paten…
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No, the paten is the plate that the hosts are consecrated in, on the altar. It is not used for catching and not held by the lay-person receiving Communion. Normally it is larger than a Communion-plate.
 
Communion Plate is part of the “dumbing” down of things that were done when the Mass changed to make it less revolting to protestants. Paten is the proper and correct term for the item. Calling it a communion plate, in my opinion reduces it to just an item you find at a meal, rather than an item that is supposed to catch and contain even the smallest fragments of the precious body.

newadvent.org/cathen/01356c.htm
Instead of this cloth a gilt paten, larger than the paten used at the altar, to which a handle may be attached, or a small gilt or silver salver, or a pall, larger than the chalice pall, may be used. These latter are usually passed from one communicant to the other, and when the last at the end of the rail at the Gospel side has received Holy Communion the altar boy carries the paten to the first communicants at the Epistle side. A consecrated paten may never be placed for this purpose in the hands of lay persons.
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americamagazine.org/gettext.cfm?articleTypeID=1&textID=595&issueID=280
Then Monsignor was in front of me, in his gold-embroidered white vestments, a seemingly towering figure, as stern and intimidating as the destroying God of Abraham. I felt the cold touch of the** paten **against my throat as a cynical eighth-grade altar boy in black cassock and white surplice held it under my chin,
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usccb.org/liturgy/current/norms.shtml
Holy Communion may be distributed by intinction in the following manner: "the communicant, while holding the paten under the chin…
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gelsbern:
Communion Plate is part of the “dumbing” down of things that were done when the Mass changed to make it less revolting to protestants. Paten is the proper and correct term for the item. Calling it a communion plate, in my opinion reduces it to just an item you find at a meal, rather than an item that is supposed to catch and contain even the smallest fragments of the precious body.
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It’s called the paten in my world!:yup: We have the paten in which the host are consecrated on, and the patens that protect Jesus from falling on the floor.
 
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Toni:
It’s called the paten in my world!:yup: We have the paten in which the host are consecrated on, and the patens that protect Jesus from falling on the floor.
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Toni:
It’s called the paten in my world!:yup: We have the paten in which the host are consecrated on, and the patens that protect Jesus from falling on the floor.
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Do parishes have to use a paten? I’ve never seen one used before. Are they mandatory or optional? I think they’re a good idea in any case.
 
Or I suppose from the actual text of RS 93 itself :).
“Patina pro Communione fidelium oportet retineatur, ad vitandum periculum ut hostia sacra vel quoddam eius fragmentum cadat.”
 
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Ace86:
Do parishes have to use a paten? I’ve never seen one used before. Are they mandatory or optional? I think they’re a good idea in any case.
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In my parish we’ve never stopped using them. In fact, I can’t think of a parish I’ve been in where the communion paten was not used.
 
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Ace86:
Do parishes have to use a paten? I’ve never seen one used before. Are they mandatory or optional? I think they’re a good idea in any case.
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Not very many parishes use them unfortunately. At school we use them and in the more devout parishes they use them. I have witnessed more than once the host being saved by the paten.
 
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Jmburgard:
I wish I could be clearer with the title of this thread. What I want to know is, what is the name for the plate held out to catch the Precious Body during communion, in case any falls?

I have been having trouble describing what I am looking for, and am hoping some of the smart people here would be able to provide an answer.
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I have generally heard it called a “Servers Paten” to distinguish it from the Paten used on the Corporal. It usually has a handle for the server to hold or extend it with.
 
John Lilburne:
No, the paten is the plate that the hosts are consecrated in, on the altar. It is not used for catching and not held by the lay-person receiving Communion. Normally it is larger than a Communion-plate.
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I was an altar boy from 1943 till 1958 and the priests always called the gold plated plate with a handle “the paten” same name as the “plate” that was used at the altar by the priest. I suppose calling it a communion plate is another Vatican II change we are stuck with. Actually since they removed most of the altar rails I haven’t seen anyone using the paten er communion plate in any church I have attended Mass at. I suppose it will now become an abuse not to use a communion plate.
 
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Ace86:
Do parishes have to use a paten? I’ve never seen one used before. Are they mandatory or optional? I think they’re a good idea in any case.
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They are mandatory at our Parish! We also use the term “paten” (son = server, this is the term he was taught).
 
The instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum uses the word paten in Latin; which basically means plate. It is the English translation of that word that has changed from paten to plate since Vatican II.
 
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