The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today

[Revelation1217]

The Nazis hated Christianity and tried to completely eliminate it from schools and public life. Check out what this Nazi tract from 1941 entitled “Gott und Volk” had to say about children:

“With parties and gifts the youth will be led painlessly from one faith to the other and will grow up without ever having heard of the Sermon on the Mount or the Golden Rule, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments… The education of the youth is to be confined primarily by the teacher, the officer, and the leaders of the party. The priests will die out. They have estranged the youth from the Volk. Into their places will step the leaders. Not deputies of God. But anyway the best Germans. And how shall we train our children? Thus, as though they had never heard of Christianity!”

And there are many more historical quotes and facts which prove this point about the Nazis:

theendtimesblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/did-you-know-that-hitler-and-nazi-party.html

The reality is that the socialists of the radical left of today that are trying to eliminate Christianity from our public schools are very similar to the national socialists (Nazis) of the 40s.

 

[roanoker]

Lessons not learned. We keep voting for them.

 

[Swan]

We do not mix church and state in this country - it is one of our founding principles. You are free to send you children to a religious school. State/public schools, however, are secular.

theocracywatch.org/separation_church_state2.htm

*"It is true that the literal phrase ‘separation of church and state’ does not appear in the Constitution, but that does not mean the concept isn’t there. The First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

What does that mean? A little history is helpful: In an 1802 letter to the Danbury (Conn.) Baptist Association, **Thomas Jefferson, then president, declared that the American people through the First Amendment had erected a “wall of separation between church and state.” (Colonial religious liberty pioneer Roger Williams used a similar phrase 150 years earlier.) **
Jefferson, however, was not the only leading figure of the post-revolutionary period to use the term separation. James Madison, considered to be the Father of the Constitution, said in an 1819 letter, “[T]he number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church and state.” In an earlier, undated essay (probably early 1800s), Madison wrote, “Strongly guarded…is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States.” *

Thank you, Thomas Jefferson.

 

[ribozyme]

Didn’t the Nazi’s endorse something called “Positive Christianity” without the dreaded altruism demanded by regular Christianity.

 

[mangy_dog]

Lessons not learned. We keep voting for them.

Not only that, the “new age” movement is a form of neo-nazism. Nazism is still alive and well not only in the U.S. but elsewhere in the world also. The war still rages…it never really stopped.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Hmmm…

 

[Fitswimmer]

We do not mix church and state in this country - it is one of our founding principles. You are free to send you children to a religious school. State/public schools, however, are secular.

theocracywatch.org/separation_church_state2.htm

*"It is true that the literal phrase ‘separation of church and state’ does not appear in the Constitution, but that does not mean the concept isn’t there. The First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

What does that mean? A little history is helpful: In an 1802 letter to the Danbury (Conn.) Baptist Association, **Thomas Jefferson, then president, declared that the American people through the First Amendment had erected a “wall of separation between church and state.” (Colonial religious liberty pioneer Roger Williams used a similar phrase 150 years earlier.) ***
Jefferson, however, was not the only leading figure of the post-revolutionary period to use the term separation. James Madison, considered to be the Father of the Constitution, said in an 1819 letter, “[T]he number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church and state.” In an earlier, undated essay (probably early 1800s), Madison wrote, “Strongly guarded…is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States.”

Thank you, Thomas Jefferson.

The best way to keep our right to worship as we choose free is to enforce other people’s right to worship (or not) as they choose.

Sometimes I think Christians in this country need a good healthy dose of what religious persecution really is. We are NOT under siege, our rights are NOT in danger. Good grief, does anyone here realize that virtually nobody can get even elected dogcatcher in this country without ending each and every speech with “God Bless America”??

It’s really high time we stopped feeling so darn sorry for ourselves and stopped acting like victims. It’s truly an insult to those in other places and other times who have really had to and are still suffering real persecution for their faith.

Ok, rant over…carry on.

 

[Caesar517]

Ok, rant over…carry on.

Christianity is not under persecution as it has been in the past, but I believe it is still being eroded. This time it’s more subtle, but worst of all: many Christians are helping! The "I’m not going to stand up for my beliefs because I don’t want to offend anyone else" and the “I don’t want to impose my beliefs on others” attitudes are what’s doing it.

This could have been a full rant, but my Calc III class starts in a few minutes.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Christianity is not under persecution as it has been in the past, but I believe it is still being eroded. This time it’s more subtle, but worst of all: many Christians are helping! The "I’m not going to stand up for my beliefs because I don’t want to offend anyone else" and the “I don’t want to impose my beliefs on others” attitudes are what’s doing it.

This could have been a full rant, but my Calc III class starts in a few minutes.

Maybe you can help me with Calc when I get to it.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Christianity is not under persecution as it has been in the past, but I believe it is still being eroded. This time it’s more subtle, but worst of all: many Christians are helping! The "I’m not going to stand up for my beliefs because I don’t want to offend anyone else" and the “I don’t want to impose my beliefs on others” attitudes are what’s doing it.

This could have been a full rant, but my Calc III class starts in a few minutes.

Perhaps you should sign up for a class in Constitutional Law. We can evangelize, we can advertise, we can discuss, we can stand on the streetcorner with a megaphone and tell every passerby that the Catholic Faith is the One True Faith. We can educate our children in our faith, even have our own schools. We can mobilize ourselves in opposition or support of just about any issue we please.

The one thing, the only thing we cannot do is ask for the country we live in to enshrine our specific Church rules into civil law. We cannot ask for a law demanding that everyone in the country believe as we do-and I for one am darn glad of that-because if such a thing were possible we would all be Evangelical Protestants by now.

Jesus promised us a LONG time ago that we would be very different from the culture around us if we followed Him and surprise, surprise…He was right.

 

[Edward62]

Woah, woah, woah… we’re quite close to employing Godwin’s Law here.

The Nazis were bad folk, to make the understatement of the 20th century, and surely no one in their right mind would seek to emulate them.

The radical left can be pretty bad as well… radical politics is rarely a good idea whether it’s left, right, or something else entirely. But no matter how outlandishly liberal they are, I’m sure they don’t actively seek the violent destruction of Christians. To compare them to Nazis is, at best, blowing things many orders of magnitude out of proportion.

Removing religion from the secular classroom is, if not an easy pill to swallow, one that must be done in this age. There are many students and teachers of many faiths (or lack thereof), and anyway it is irrelevant. I was blessed to go to a Catholic school K-12, but I don’t see the problem in removing prayer from secular schools. I’m getting along in a secular university just fine, and have if anything gained more appreciation for God as I’ve learned more about Him/His world in my science classes. God is not a vital component of algebra or gym; certainly there are fora in which which God may be related to the curricula (think art, literature, social studies, and even science [esp. evolution/creation debate) but intelligent discussion of the role that Christianity has played in all those areas *does not equate with having prayers or school-sanctioned religious groups during the academic day.

 

[Benedictus]

Woah, woah, woah… we’re quite close to employing Godwin’s Law here.

Umm… I think that took effect in the OP.

 

[gmags2003]

Ha , I’ve gone to a public school for twelve years and I don’t know what you are referring to. A war on Christianity in school? Radical left? Did you go to a public school? You don’t know what you are talking about and you should probably stop. Also, as someone pointed out a public school is inherently secular. But getting back to the OP’s original claim, you couldn’t be further from the truth at least in my area – Massachusetts (perhaps the most liberal state in the U.S, perhaps the most “radical left” are you claim)

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Not only that, the “new age” movement is a form of neo-nazism. Nazism is still alive and well not only in the U.S. but elsewhere in the world also. The war still rages…it never really stopped.

Can you explain how New Age is neo Nazism? Explain both terms as well so I know we are talking about the same things.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

The best way to keep our right to worship as we choose free is to enforce other people’s right to worship (or not) as they choose.

Sometimes I think Christians in this country need a good healthy dose of what religious persecution really is. We are NOT under siege, our rights are NOT in danger. Good grief, does anyone here realize that virtually nobody can get even elected dogcatcher in this country without ending each and every speech with “God Bless America”??

It’s really high time we stopped feeling so darn sorry for ourselves and stopped acting like victims. It’s truly an insult to those in other places and other times who have really had to and are still suffering real persecution for their faith.

Ok, rant over…carry on.

If people in this country has any clue about their own history, they would be thankful that we separate church and state. Catholics in particular were persecuted in the colonies and this was one of many motivating forces for the doctrine of religious freedom. Ironically, it was baptists who were in the forefront of the fight to eliminate the government from religion. We have this idiotic notion that the original settlers came here for religion freedom. They did, but only their own brand, others were excluded, banished, hung, refused the right to own property, vote,or hold office, all the while they were forced to pay taxes to the state church. It’s hilarious to see how little most people know of their own history.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Christianity is not under persecution as it has been in the past, but I believe it is still being eroded. This time it’s more subtle, but worst of all: many Christians are helping! The "I’m not going to stand up for my beliefs because I don’t want to offend anyone else" and the “I don’t want to impose my beliefs on others” attitudes are what’s doing it.

This could have been a full rant, but my Calc III class starts in a few minutes.

Christianity has never been persecuted at any time as far as I know. Some sects have been obviously, such as Catholicism, and baptists and i believe Unitarians and quakers. For a good long while the only acceptable fithers were puritan and Anglican. But Christianity as a whole has never been persecuted to my knowledge and it is not today. It only appears so because the reactionary right has tried to sneak Christianity into the classroom and various groups have to sue in order to prevent that.

 

[adrift]

Christianity has never been persecuted at any time as far as I know. Some sects have been obviously, such as Catholicism, and baptists and i believe Unitarians and quakers. For a good long while the only acceptable fithers were puritan and Anglican. But Christianity as a whole has never been persecuted to my knowledge and it is not today. It only appears so because the reactionary right has tried to sneak Christianity into the classroom and various groups have to sue in order to prevent that.

You have never heard of the Roman persecutions? Both Peter and Paul were martyred during it.
The Muslims have persecuted Christians for centuries and are still doing so.

 

[Gertabelle]

You have never heard of the Roman persecutions? Both Peter and Paul were martyred during it.
The Muslims have persecuted Christians for centuries and are still doing so.

I believe SpiritMeadow was referring to persecutions of Christians in this country, as that is the topic of the thread. I, too, however, had to take a moment to remember what centuries we all were talking about. Too much heat muddles the brains.

gertie

 

[Caesar517]

Perhaps you should sign up for a class in Constitutional Law.

I’ve taken Constitutional Law classes.

The one thing, the only thing we cannot do is ask for the country we live in to enshrine our specific Church rules into civil law. We cannot ask for a law demanding that everyone in the country believe as we do-and I for one am darn glad of that-because if such a thing were possible we would all be Evangelical Protestants by now.

I never said that we could or should do that. There was a recent thread in which you posted entitled “Imposing our beliefs on others”. There is a link to an article that says laws are fundamentally about imposing someone’s beliefs on someone else (i.e. the thief doesn’t want to be punished for stealing and the rapist doesn’t like the laws against sexual asault.)

I certainly don’t think that we ought to take the CCC and replace our laws with it, but I do think that our laws should reflect basic Christian values (the Constitution does).

Freedom of religion and freedom from religion are two very different things. We only have a right to one of them.

Whatr I said in my earlier post doesn’t just apply to lawmakes, though. I see these attitudes everywhere and it sickens me.

 

[dbg]

The reality is that the socialists of the radical left of today that are trying to eliminate Christianity from our public schools are very similar to the national socialists (Nazis) of the 40s.

Sorry if this has already been pointed out, but this is not a good argument.

The Nazis probably listened to classical music … does that mean it’s wrong to listen to classical music?

The Nazis helped build the autobahn in Germany … does that mean it’s wrong to build superhighways like that?

The Nazis did this therefore it’s wrong is a bad argument.

The Nazis did lots of things that you should also do – they breathed, they ate, they drank, they sang, they danced, … etc

Freedom of religion and freedom from religion are two very different things. We only have a right to one of them.

In the case of public institutions one entails the other. You have the freedom of speech but not the freedom from speech, but when someone is not able to avert their eyes from offensive speech (like a pornographic sign used as political protest in a public street) then that speech is not entitled to as much protection (whereas that same pornographic sign would be fully protected in a private place). So with religion if imposing school prayer is offensive to others – and it is as religion is an intimate personal affair – then, in public schools it should not be countenanced by the law.

As a matter of policy, we also do not want religion to be encouraged through the public schools. I know of know religious doctrinaire who has been a recent Nobel Prize winner in a scientific field or a Field’s Medal winner.