The new acceptance of sodomy

[CatholicELATeacher]

It takes some pretty disgusting behavior for God to rain down fire and brimstone and destroy every living person in two cities. And this perversion was obviously going on long before the angels got there.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

Nonsense.
Besides which God had already decided to destroy the cities before the angels even arrived. The way the angels were treated, I.e. attempted homosexual rape, maybe just layered on a bit more fire and brimstone.

 

[Gingersnaps4]

“ The first huge question is this : How did priests who took a promise of chaste celibacy come to think that it was now morally acceptable for them to engage in sodomy with consenting adults and even with minors — whether under the legal age of consent or psychological minors, such as seminarians under their influence? I am assuming that they did not engage in these behaviors thinking, I know this is a mortal sin but I am going to do it anyway. So my assumption is that somehow they rationalized their thinking so that they could call it acceptable. Another way of phrasing this question is this: how did they come to think they could accept the revised cultural practices as morally normative? My assumption here is that they were very much influenced by changes both in Western culture and also within the Church.”

My theory is that these priests are wolves in sheep’s clothing: The priesthood is a career/job for these people and they don’t really believe in it. I certainly find it hard to believe that someone like McCarrick could be God-fearing at all.

 

[Thorolfr]

The sin of Sodom was epitomized by depraved individuals attempting to forcibly rape two male angels, and Lot himself.

Rape, a violent act, is very different from consensual sex. I can understand if God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because a lot of its inhabitants were rapists.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

disgusting behavior for God to rain down fire and brimstone and destroy every living person in two cities.

was obviously going on long before the angels got there.

True. God was very patient.

Also some ancient Jewish commentaries state their belief that the sin in Noah’s day was also sexual perversions away from God’s plan

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

I said “epitomized by,” not “summarized in.”
Consensuality of homosexual intercourse does not reduce its depravity,
And how many times does it have to be said that God had already decided to destroy the cities before the angels even got there?

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

I have no doubt that sexual perversion, including homosexual intercourse, was a prime factor in God’s decision.

 

[o_mlly]

I have no doubt that sexual perversion, including homosexual intercourse, was a prime factor in God’s decision.

The tired false nihilistic argument of the sodomites goes:

There is no free will.
∴ There is no sin.

There is no human nature.
∴ There is no natural law.
∴ There are no moral laws.
∴ All human acts are permissible except acts which are illegal and enforceable (social contract).
∴ Sodomy is a normal act.
∴ Bulimia nervosa is a normal act.

This argument that falsely claims sodomy as a normal act must perforce also claim the eating disorder bulimia nervosa is normal, not really a disorder at all. As long as the binge-purge cycle is done responsibly (whatever that means?) the act is normal.

The end of the appetite to eat, like the appetite for sexual release, is merely in the pleasure of the act (hedonism). The importance of procreation to the sodomite and nutrition to the bulimic as final ends are dismissed. The same is true of the one who practices contraception. Although the bulimic and the contraceptor perform a natural act corruptly, the sodomite corrupts the very act itself.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

Is there a point to this? They are too obstinate to change and most Catholics here know this already.

 

[o_mlly]

Is there a point to this? They are too obstinate to change and most Catholics here know this already.

The mission of this website is the point; the children also read these threads. Protect the children and help sodomites avoid the promised millstone necklaces.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

And those necklaces can be fully earned, and delivered, in an instant. No one knows when the instant of their death will be. After that, repentance is futile.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

I prefer to use simple arguments instead of rants when evangelizing.

 

[Gorgias]

OK. So, what you’re saying is that their formators in seminary are the ones to blame? After all, they’re the ones who didn’t recognize that they were “seriously ill”, and “skewed”, and were “taking their celibacy lightly or at all”, and were “filled with pride”? OK, then: so, the issue still isn’t the way society was thinking… but rather, how poorly the priests who formed them actually managed to do their job well.

Sin is, precisely, “not normal behavior.” And… we *all are sinners. Let those without sin cast the first stone, eh?

Agreed. Yet, that’s not what the author of the article is arguing. He’s placing the blame on society (and, let’s “call a spade a spade” here – the Church!) for these sins. And in that assertion, the author is mistaken, although no one would hesitate to agree that the actions were sinful and egregious!

 

[Gorgias]

I agree with this assessment!

But, let’s look at the author of the article that the OP cites: he’s not saying “child rapists do so because they fool people in order to be able to actualize their sinful desires”; rather, the OP (incorrectly) asserts that child rapists commit their sinful and criminal acts because society assents to these acts as non-sinful. That’s manifestly erroneous.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

Like being a reader at the local library, for example. Dressed in drag.

 

[Thorolfr]

Like being a reader at the local library, for example. Dressed in drag.

Pedophiles would want to be alone with a child, not in a crowded library reading room with many other adults present, including the child’s parents.

A friend of mine was abused by a priest who was the principal of a Catholic school where he was a student. The principal requested a number of times that this student be sent to his office where they could be by themselves behind closed doors.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Not necessarily people like this are very good at fooling people. They can get into many places and occupations that have access to children because of their sickness.
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In fact I earnestly believe that this type of sin is one the devil especially loves because of how it destroys innocence and to that end, he shrouds it in ‘occult secrecy’. I know that even other priests in close contact with these pedophiles didn’t realise what horrible things they were up to.

 

[jeannetherese]

Pedophiles would want to be alone with a child, not in a crowded library reading room with many other adults present, including the child’s parents.

Establishing relationships with a potential victim can begin in very public places: classrooms, scouting groups, sports teams, serve as examples.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

Exactly. They are grooming groups of children with their drag queen story hour horror shows,

 

[Thorolfr]

Thorolfr:

Pedophiles would want to be alone with a child, not in a crowded library reading room with many other adults present, including the child’s parents.

Establishing relationships with a potential victim can begin in very public places: classrooms, scouting groups, sports teams, serve as examples.

All the examples you give are situations where a pedophile would have continuing contact with a child over an extended period of time with some kind of authority over him or her and would still be able to have possible moments alone. But I doubt that most parents are going to be going to Drag Queen Story Hour every week and leave their child in the drag queen’s care. This is probably an event that most parents would take their children to one or two times.

I can see how some parents might object to these events and if I had children, I probably wouldn’t take them to these story hours since there are more interesting things to do. And some of the drag queens look kind of scary anyway. But, no one is forced to take their children to these events and if some parents want to do so, I don’t see why it is anyone else’s business.