The New Roman Missal as viewed on PBS

[lizaanne]

“This is not inspired. This is not of God”

Yeah - and I wonder how many said that when the Novus Ordo Mass was instituted. Oh, but that doesn’t count, because it was a GOOD thing then.

Whatever.

Those who are crabbing that they don’t like/want change need to just get over it. They are the very same crowd who complain and get their panties in a bunch over wimynpriests and altar girls and claim the Church never changes anything - wahhh wahhhh wahhhh. So now the Church DOES change something for the better of all Catholics, but because it doesn’t suit their personal agenda it’s not good enough.

Too bad.

Yep - not a lot of tolerance from me on this one, sorry.

~Liza

 

[laszlo]

Paranoid maybe?

Every journalist had to learn the principle : Audiatur et altera part. Both sides have to be heard. This is an entirely one sided piece of information, to encourage those who plan to disobey the Church, and to make believe that they are the majority.

 

[laszlo]

Don’t need PBS for that. There has been a very vocal anti-translation component railing about the language of the new Missal for at least the last 4 years and some complaining the loudest are bishops and priests.

The vote of the bishops for the change was a surprising for the changes

The translation of the Order of Mass II (of the Roman Missal) received 191 votes in favor, 25 against and five abstentions.

The translation of the Masses and Prayers for Various Needs and Intentions passed by 163 votes, while 53 bishops voted against it and five abstained.

The translation of the rituals for Votive Masses and Masses for the Dead passed 181 to 32 with two abstentions.

And the translation of the text for Ritual Masses received 186 votes in favor, 32 nays and two abstentions.

usccb.org/comm/archives/2009/09-159.shtml

The opposition is from outside of the Church, and an insignificant minority inside. Only the media makes their voice loud.

 

[Pax_et_Bonum]

I stopped reading the text after the director of religious education inserted dislike for altar rails, and referred to head-coverings as “kleenex”. She obviously has no respect for traditional practices and thinks them stifling. Let this report be damned to obscurity forever.

 

[Pax_et_Bonum]

Paranoid maybe?

Are you kidding???PBS HATES CATHOLICISM and is a cabal of pinko leftist secular materialist anti-theists.Paranoid NOT.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Perhaps, and this is just speculation, one of the reasons for the dissension is that the new Roman Missal is more of a literal translation of the Latin Vulgate which may not reflect the intent.

For example in the NRM: Priest: Dominus vobicsum (The Lord be with you)
People: Et cum spiritu tuo (and with your spirit)

The current translation (the one is current usage) of Et cum spiritu tuo is: And also with you.

The argument is that the literal translation only blesses “the spirit” rather than the totality of the person – body, mind and spirit.

So we are reverting to a time when only the spirtual was valued and not the whole person. This means we are reverting back to old theology. Yet, the Mass is Jesus sacrifice and Jesus died for us as a totality (human and divine), not only spiritually.

If you would have noticed in the video, every other language uses the “And with your
Spirit” only the English used “And also with you”.

Many of the prayers that are changing will now be in line with what is said in the Mass in other languages. Why is English seen as so special that we must say things that is not said in the Mass in other languages?

 

[Cojuanco]

Every journalist had to learn the principle : Audiatur et altera part. Both sides have to be heard. This is an entirely one sided piece of information, to encourage those who plan to disobey the Church, and to make believe that they are the majority.

What’s rather surprising is that it seems NPR is becoming more sympathetic to the Church while PBS is going the opposite direction.

 

[Benay]

If you would have noticed in the video, every other language uses the “And with your
Spirit” only the English used “And also with you”.

Many of the prayers that are changing will now be in line with what is said in the Mass in other languages. Why is English seen as so special that we must say things that is not said in the Mass in other languages?

ByzCath, I did not see the video. My comment was based upon all the discussion that has gone on, on the internet, about the changes. This was a critical comment I had read and I thought it worth thinking about. I am glad someone clarified the meaning of “Et cum Spiritu tuo” for me. No one else had done that before and I wonder if the meaning and its theological rationale will be understood by all English speakers.

Why is English different? Perhaps because, as a language, it keeps growing by constantly adding new words and adopting words from other languages with or without a change in meaning. English is now a universal language (as Greek and Latin were in the past) that must be learned by non-English speakers for many jobs. Because English is so widespread, the English translation of the Mass will also be widespread, transcending political, cultural and geographical boundaries. The meaning of the English translation must be perfectly clear to all English speakers, not just Americans. Other languages, such as Spanish, do not have the extensive vocabulary English has, so there are fewer Spanish words to use for the translation. I am thinking, for example, of “El Senor” to designate Jesus, Lord, etc.

 

[sneakers]

I stopped reading the text after the director of religious education inserted dislike for altar rails, and referred to head-coverings as “kleenex”. She obviously has no respect for traditional practices and thinks them stifling. Let this report be damned to obscurity forever.

And right after that, she mocked the “through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault”. That’s where I stopped watching the video.

sneakers