The Next "Great Schism"

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To those who voted “yes”.

Catholicism is all about authority of the Church. If you can even imagine a scenario where you would reject the Church’s teachings, why be Catholic?
 
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Angainor:
To those who voted “yes”.

Catholicism is all about authority of the Church. If you can even imagine a scenario where you would reject the Church’s teachings, why be Catholic?
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This is Catholicism by coincidence. It is the same basis that every protestant since Luther has used to decide separation from the church is justified. We all have a temptation to fall into this sort of Cafeteria mentality everytime we choose to follow our own wisdom over what is taught by the church.

I am more concerned by the number of individual Catholics, expecially in this country, who “believe” and “feel” their way into heresy over matters like abortion, euthanasia and homosexuality.
 
There should have been an option to decide at a later time, after the dust settles. I don’t think such a man could be elected pope who would, except for mental instability, favor such causes and pencil-whip them into existence, after ascending to the TOP (throne of Peter).
 
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jimmy:
If the Church changed the preisthood it would prove that the Church was never the Church. I would not consider a new break because it would only be coming from what was not true. I would probably become an Orthodox. But, I don’t think there is any chance that they are going to change anything.
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The original question appears confusing because it is comparing apples and oranges: the marriage of priests for instance is a discipline, not a doctrinal truth.

We have discovered through the headlines that we have already ordained homosexual priests.

The Pope has already stated that he could not ordain women as he did not have the “authority” to do so. In the event such a proclamation were to occur, the pope would have to find that “authority” - it’s been 2,000 years, to date through each century there are those who have campaigned for this-- so far as I know they are still looking .

Having said that I should like to repeat myself, asking questions which confuse disciplines, traditions, practices etc. with doctrinal truth only leads to more confusion.
 
If it is true that celibacy in the Priesthood is a ‘doctrine’ and can be changed at anytime, and the Vatican allowed Priests to get married; and through sheer momentum allowed women and homosexuals to be ordained, then I wouldn’t have to leave the Church, because then it would have already left me.
 
Catholics must remain faithful to the end. If the next Pope or any pope in the future causes scandal with un-Christian positions or rules, God will handle the situation his own way.
 
Kevin Walker:
If it is true that celibacy in the Priesthood is a ‘doctrine’ and can be changed at anytime, and the Vatican allowed Priests to get married; and through sheer momentum allowed women and homosexuals to be ordained, then I wouldn’t have to leave the Church, because then it would have already left me.
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For one thing, it is not practical to have married priests with a family. My brother in law is a Nazerene minister with a family and one small church, and he about runs himself to death between the two. What would happen if we had married priests with two churches to run, which would be normal in my area. He would be burnt out in no time. I just don’t think it would work. As far as woman priests, don’t hold your breath. It ain’t gonna happen.
 
As in the secular world, there is a strong push in the Catholic Church for a more liberal leadership.
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THis is very true in the Western world, esp. America. It is NOT true in the developing world. (Note the outrage in the Latin Anglican communion over the AMerican Anglicans elevating an avowed homosexual to the episcopate). Ours (fortunately) is not the only perspective. I believe the JPII’s cardinals, in conjunction with Third World desire for tradition and the Holy Spirit will keep us safe from further liberal incursions.
 
I voted no on this one, but because I think the Church will not change its views on these issues.

However, I see a schism coming, but it will be the Mod Squad that will split(especially if a very conservative orthodox Pope is selected).

Will any of the bishops go with this schism, I do not see that happening.

PF
 
Your question is rather loaded. No one who is a true Catholic wants to split from Rome, but many of us might be very annoyed if liberalism took hold. I would simply attend only traditional Catholic masses said by the good priests of the FSSP or even the SSPX - I’m sure many more than do now would do so also if a new Pope took radical new steps liberalising the Church
 
“Simon Peter answered Him, 'Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.” Jn 6:68

My sentiments…
Jim
 
IF there is a schism coming…I will follow where Jesus, all the way down to JPII has led us.
 
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jimmy:
If the Church changed the preisthood it would prove that the Church was never the Church. I would not consider a new break because it would only be coming from what was not true. I would probably become an Orthodox. But, I don’t think there is any chance that they are going to change anything.
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I agree with your statement for the most part. If the Church changed it’s doctrines on matter of faith and morals then I would have to conclude that Christ’s true Church is among one of the Orthodox faiths. However, this will not happen. I fully expect to see a Pope from the developing world where issues of homosexuality, abortion and contraception are not in question in terms of their moral nature. Personally, I hope that we get an African pope like Francis Arinze.
 
You guys say you would run to Orthodoxy but there you have talk of female deacons becoming reality soon, birth control is up to parish preist and usually permitted in the west and of course they have married priest. So lets say the catholic church allows such things are you going to run away to the Orthodox church because your mad at changes that have alreay occured in Eastern Orthodoxy as well? Makes no sense.
Catholcism won’t go anywhere that Orthodoxy hasn’t already gone.
I think the real looney ideas like females priests, homosexual marriage and abortion rights will never ever happen in Catholcism or Orthodoxy.
 
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Maccabees:
You guys say you would run to Orthodoxy but there you have talk of female deacons becoming reality soon, birth control is up to parish preist and usually permitted in the west and of course they have married priest. So lets say the catholic church allows such things are you going to run away to the Orthodox church because your mad at changes that have alreay occured in Eastern Orthodoxy as well? Makes no sense.
Catholcism won’t go anywhere that Orthodoxy hasn’t already gone.
I think the real looney ideas like females priests, homosexual marriage and abortion rights will never ever happen in Catholcism or Orthodoxy.
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I’m saying that there certainly would be an Orthodox church that has held it’s ground on these matters. If the Catholic church did not then there MUST be one that did or Christ is a liar. But, I think it’s a hypothetical situation that will never occur.
 
Well are these matters really essential. Orthodoxy will have female deacons soon and they have married priest. If the catholic church does this are they compromising essential tenets here? I mean you have nowhere to go if you think these are essentials if the catholic church follows in the footsteps of Orthodoxy.
Also Birth control is a pastoral matter in Orthodoxy if the Catholic church goes in this direction where are you running to there are no churches other than the current RC that toe the line on this.
Would you join a traditionalist sect like St Pius X because Orthodxy has caved on these things you don’t want to budge on.
 
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