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This is an argument i have been developing for while now, and although i did post it on my other thread, i felt it deserved its owns thread as a ground for debate because i plan to put it in my book once i have developed it fully.
The Nihilistic Argument
The atheist says that rational truth trumps emotional beliefs, beliefs that stem from a desire to be valued and to have value; for example “Christianity”. At least this seems to be the atheists opinion, since he or she certainly doesn’t believe that Christians have rational grounds for holding that objective moral values exist. If rational truth is what leads you to disbelieve in the emotional leap of faith held by Christians, then in so far as one wants to be rationally consistent and honest, the same must be also true in cases where one feels emotionally inclined to believe that his life has significance, that life is worth living; that life is about living, that you should believe in yourself and that this is “true”. If there is no objective moral value to life, then the conclusion that one should act out of any emotional attachment to ones own existence, such as the fear of death or the desire for life, is irrational since such emotions incline us to make value judgments about an existence which has no true objective value. A truly rational person will rise above their feelings, and in so doing will reject emotions that lead to self preservation as irrational, because a rational person does not form beliefs about the world or what he should do in the world on emotion grounds given the fact that emotions have no rational value.
A rational person does not act on irrational emotions if emotions do not tell us anything true about life or anything true about the real world. While you might find emotional reasons for living, you have lost the rational right to conclude that such emotions are a rational basis to exist. Your choice to exist is a value judgment; you value your life in that you are attempting to save that which you perceive as valuable, that which you would like to have value. But If you truly accept that your life has no intrinsic value, then you will not act as if it does and you will accept that it does not, since to behave and think as if it did would be contrary to the truth, being a denial of reality, and thus would be an irrational act.
However; if life does have intrinsic moral value, then it is objectively rational for me to save my life, because that act is rationally consistent with a person that has true moral value. the fact is, in the real world atheists do believe that they have rational reasons for acting on certain emotions. Thats a fact which is displayed by the very fact that they continue to exist.
A true rational atheist knows there is no objectively rational reason to continue existing; for existence has no true objective value. Fear of death and the belief that life is worth living, or is something that should be lived, reveals nothing more than the fact that you are a deluded slave and that your sense of significance is merely a product of the irrational emotions that comprise part of your being. Thus on the basis of a rationality that has no space for faith in objective moral significance and human existential value, suicide is the only truly free and rational choice that one can make since life is not for the living; it is not about survival since there is no purpose to it, therefore why are we surviving? Being alive is meaningless, and rational man does not partake in what he knows or believes to be a meaningless emotional delusion (just like the atheist does not partake in religions because they believe it to be a meaningless emotional delusion). In other words, the fact that you pursue life is in fact irrational and is purely an emotionally driven act from which only suicide can set you free.
When i was faced with the challenge of suicide, i could not except the idea that absolute skepticism is more rational than hope in God. For in God there is at least a mystery, and it seems to me that it is folly to reduce ones self to nothing when one has no evidence that life really isn’t worth living. But If i choose to live, i must live for the hope of God, for to hope in God is also to hope that survival is rational and is as intrinsically and objectively meaningful as it evidently appears to be.
Thus God has to be the basis of any rational being that chooses to stay alive and at the same time live rationally. Therefore God is an axiom to rational life itself.
*To deny objective morality, is to justify the rapist, the murderer, the slave owner, the oppressor, the nihilist; for they do nothing wrong. *
The Nihilistic Argument
The atheist says that rational truth trumps emotional beliefs, beliefs that stem from a desire to be valued and to have value; for example “Christianity”. At least this seems to be the atheists opinion, since he or she certainly doesn’t believe that Christians have rational grounds for holding that objective moral values exist. If rational truth is what leads you to disbelieve in the emotional leap of faith held by Christians, then in so far as one wants to be rationally consistent and honest, the same must be also true in cases where one feels emotionally inclined to believe that his life has significance, that life is worth living; that life is about living, that you should believe in yourself and that this is “true”. If there is no objective moral value to life, then the conclusion that one should act out of any emotional attachment to ones own existence, such as the fear of death or the desire for life, is irrational since such emotions incline us to make value judgments about an existence which has no true objective value. A truly rational person will rise above their feelings, and in so doing will reject emotions that lead to self preservation as irrational, because a rational person does not form beliefs about the world or what he should do in the world on emotion grounds given the fact that emotions have no rational value.
A rational person does not act on irrational emotions if emotions do not tell us anything true about life or anything true about the real world. While you might find emotional reasons for living, you have lost the rational right to conclude that such emotions are a rational basis to exist. Your choice to exist is a value judgment; you value your life in that you are attempting to save that which you perceive as valuable, that which you would like to have value. But If you truly accept that your life has no intrinsic value, then you will not act as if it does and you will accept that it does not, since to behave and think as if it did would be contrary to the truth, being a denial of reality, and thus would be an irrational act.
However; if life does have intrinsic moral value, then it is objectively rational for me to save my life, because that act is rationally consistent with a person that has true moral value. the fact is, in the real world atheists do believe that they have rational reasons for acting on certain emotions. Thats a fact which is displayed by the very fact that they continue to exist.
A true rational atheist knows there is no objectively rational reason to continue existing; for existence has no true objective value. Fear of death and the belief that life is worth living, or is something that should be lived, reveals nothing more than the fact that you are a deluded slave and that your sense of significance is merely a product of the irrational emotions that comprise part of your being. Thus on the basis of a rationality that has no space for faith in objective moral significance and human existential value, suicide is the only truly free and rational choice that one can make since life is not for the living; it is not about survival since there is no purpose to it, therefore why are we surviving? Being alive is meaningless, and rational man does not partake in what he knows or believes to be a meaningless emotional delusion (just like the atheist does not partake in religions because they believe it to be a meaningless emotional delusion). In other words, the fact that you pursue life is in fact irrational and is purely an emotionally driven act from which only suicide can set you free.
When i was faced with the challenge of suicide, i could not except the idea that absolute skepticism is more rational than hope in God. For in God there is at least a mystery, and it seems to me that it is folly to reduce ones self to nothing when one has no evidence that life really isn’t worth living. But If i choose to live, i must live for the hope of God, for to hope in God is also to hope that survival is rational and is as intrinsically and objectively meaningful as it evidently appears to be.
Thus God has to be the basis of any rational being that chooses to stay alive and at the same time live rationally. Therefore God is an axiom to rational life itself.
*To deny objective morality, is to justify the rapist, the murderer, the slave owner, the oppressor, the nihilist; for they do nothing wrong. *