Let me start with very basic logic: *There are two possibilities: *God exists and God doesn’t exist. *Let’s extend this out…
What is the cost / benifit annalysis?
Pascals wager, failed for many reasons. There’s another thread running on that currently if you’re interested.*
Have you tried looking up verified Miracles?
Have you read and studied Fatima where 70,000 people saw the sun fall from the sky? *Aethists and Believers alike?
Alas the evidence against this miracle is much stronger than that for it. Ie all the other people on earth NOT reporting the event, the fact that the earth didn’t drop out of orbit and vaporise in the sun, the lack of global tidal waves and mass destruction… Etc. if the sun really had been doing what was reported then nobody on earth would be alive now to talk about it. So one way or the other we must conclude that the people were mistaken. If you like I guess you could say that the “miracle” was that god fooled a large group of people with an illusion. But that about the best you can get.
Have you studied the eye witness accounts of healings? *Like the child clinically dead for 61 mins - heart monitor attached - while the parents prayed to God, and with intercession from Blessed Arch Bishop Fulton Sheen - before the child returned to life?
Got a medical journal or something similar on this one? If it really happened and the evidence is solid, then I’m sure the write up would have sent shock waves through the medical community. For one thing it would seem to demand a complete change to the point at which doctors cease attempts to revive a person who’s heart has stopped.
How about the Eucharistic Miracles? *Where bread turns into flesh, that flesh is take to be studied, blood types are obtained and it is determined by pathologists who did not know the history or source of the flesh that it is cardiac material? *Have you tried looking up Eucharistic Miracles?
Again, would be interesting to read the medical examiners report. I’ve been present at many Eucharists, at every one of them the bread resolutely didn’t turn into a gooey mass of flesh. Out of interest on this occassion where it did, did the congregation still eat it? Or was it all sent to the lab?
Have you studied the lives of the Saints who had visions, recieved Sigmata and truely believed?
Some, oddly stigmata often seem to appear on people’s hands. Where people tend to think the nails would have gone, rather than on the wrists, where the nails really were put when people were crucified. Odd that. Would be interested to read other reports of you have some of interest?
There is more evidence for the existance of Jesus Christ than for Julius Caesar, Tiberious Caesar, and many other famous people that we all take for granted existed. *I’ve read that there are as many as 42 sources for Chirst with in 150 years of his life. *I believe I’ve read there are under 10 for Julius…
Really? Would be interested to hear what the non-religious sources are. Whenever I’ve attempted to find such things I’ve found virtually nothing.*
It’s also worth noting that the existence of a religious leader called Jesus does little to support the stories told in the bible. Many important figures from history that long ago had supernatural stories told about them.
Christ’s followers claimed to have seen him alive again. *They were tortured and killed for it. *Why would anyone maintain a lie when it results in torturous death when simply saying “it wasn’t true” would result in the torture stopping and being set free?
Many people have held beliefs strongly enough to be tortured to death for them over the centuries. Many of those beliefs contradict Christianity, that isn’t evidence that those beliefs are correct and Christianity wrong either.
As for whether they were really offered “say X and we’ll let you go” I can’t see any way we can know that. It’s not like torturers in the first century AD were great writers.*
Have you researched Irreducible Complexity?
Yep, also known as a “God of the gaps” argument.*
How about the environmental factors needed for life to exist? *(i.e. the EXACT Gravitational Constant or life couldn’t exist, the EXACT distance from the Sun, the Exact temp. etc etc.) *…
That’s right, humans have evolved on a planet which is capable of sustaining human life. In a universe capable of sustaining human life. Lucky we didn’t evolve on a planet which couldn’t support us, otherwise we’d all die…
Obviously I’m being facetious.
This is the anthropic principle, if the earth and indeed universe wasn’t able to support us, then we wouldn’t be here to notice.
Have you studied the Big Bang Theory? *Then read Genesis chapter one. *Then ask yourself if you see a corolation?
Not much, no. Some, just like many creation myths.
Big Bang Theory states that all matter basically came from nothing. Since matter, space and energy are all realated, there was a time when None of them (including time) existed.
Nope, you can’t have a time (a point in time) when time didn’t exist (which is outside time).*
*Per the math, it would take INFINATE POWER to bring matter into existance from nothing.
Never heard of any maths which says that. You have a source? Also worth noting we don’t know what if anything existed or exists outside the temporal bounds of the universe. So there’s no particular need to assume creation ex nihilo was required.
Philosophy also states that if something had a beginning, it has a purpose.
Never heard this one before. Source?*
Please keep being an Emmeth (Truth Seeker) and Do Not give up reading and researching this question.
Now this I definitely agree with.*
Take care.
