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Don_Ruggero
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FrDavid96;13497917:
Agreed
He did not say “no document from the consilium.”
He was uninformed and with his agenda to promote Ad Orientum, left it unsaid.
No law or instruction ever mandated this. He did not claim that no document suggested it, or that no document mentioned it. He wrote “never mandated.” Since it was never mandated, what he wrote was completely correct and true.
Wrong, it was mandated by Motu Proprio of Paul VI, which included a mandated date for it to be put into place. My post #12 Kindly disprove the veracity of this, if you have conflicting “facts.”
Peter never made any claims as to when such things were said or written. The fact that he does not mention a date does not make him wrong.
It doesn’t make him right, either, and that is what Oneofthewomen contested, that what he did present was technically ‘flawed’ information. Yet you defend this erroneous author rather than one with the true facts who did the readers a service by noting his failure to show the ‘content’ of the I.O. document.
So, are we beginning to start the Year of Mercy on a good footing? Are you prepared to answer my request to show where the ‘content’ as present in my post #12 is wrong?
Your assertion is simply not correct. In Europe, since the council, there are places where an altar was installed to celebrate facing the people while there are other places where the pre-conciliar altar was retained with celebrations not facing the people. Over the decades, I have celebrated many such Masses in a variety of churches and chapels all over the continent and beyond. Which would be impossible, according to what you assert.
The Americans have a different experience when it came to post conciliar implementation of liturgical reforms and altar placement…but, if you please, we are not all Americans and the European experience regarding the movement of altars was much different…thankfully.
Even in Pope Paul VI’s own chapel, which he had renovated, the altar did not face the people and it remained that way in successive pontificates.
This was done because there was no mandate which required the celebration to be facing the people. From the United States, I met before his death a priest who had quite famously and successfully argued this position also in your country…his name was Monsignor Richard Schuler and his parish was of much renown in the United States and in Europe as well for its liturgy and its music, Saint Agnes. His position was vindicated and, across all the years following the council, Mass was never celebrated facing the people because there was no document that compelled this and Monsignor could not be required to do so.
