The Not-So-Quiet Room

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I had never heard of a Quiet Room until I discovered this fine forum. I agree that the sound of exuberant young life is the sound of a vibrant, growing Parish. Rejoice!

I am a Level 1 Catechist for our Church’s youth formation and I have learned so very much (thanks, Maria Montessori) about what it means to be ages 1,2,3,4,5 and 6. Many of them are not at all naturally disposed to sitting through Mass.

That said, I agree with the opinion that a one-on-one talk with your Priest (and he sounds wonderful) may be in order.

Good luck and thank you and your daughter’s family for bringing young children to Mass. I know it’s hard, but I give all my support to families that manage it.
 
If I were the OP, I would encourage the daughter to continue going to Mass with her parents at the parish she likes and to continue using the cry room as she likes.
 
Well, while I’ve been pulling my thoughts together, DD has decided to change parishes.

I just want to answer a few points. I truly envy those of you whose parishes are child-friendly. This is certainly not the case with ours. I have seen the glares and frowns from parishioners at little children who are doing nothing more than being little children. In all the years I taught CCD, I have seen no more than ten of my first-grade pupils at Mass, and I think this lack of welcome is one of the major reasons. I served under two DRE’s, and both felt this was a problem.

And while it’s easy to advise others to ignore the looks, it’s much harder to do. I know many mothers feel judged on their parenting (I know I did, and so does DD), and so are pre-disposed to be embarrassed when they receive That Look.

Leaving the little one at home with his DF is not an option. DD feels she is fighting an up-hill battle to bring up her DSs in the faith, and giving them the idea that boys and men don’t have to attend Mass would not help her cause. I know that this would not be a long-lasting arrangement, but she feels very strongly that they should not get the idea that not attending Mas is an option. Since she has her Master’s in early childhood education, I don’t argue with her on points like this.

They’re attending Mass tomorrow morning at the closer parish, which is also the one where DGS1 attends school. DH says he feels uncomfortable returning to our church. I am on the purificator-laundering team, and after Mass last week he and DD waited in the QR after Mass while I delivered the clean purificators. He says he felt embarrassed by the looks he received for being in there and doesn’t want to return. He, too, felt “chastised” for being there. We’re attending Mass at our old parish tomorrow morning.

What a mess! I know that Father’s intentions were good, but the result is that I’ve lost one of the great joys in my life, that of attending Mass with my beloved DD and DGSs, and the boys no longer see a male family member attending Mass and receiving the sacraments.
 
Well, while I’ve been pulling my thoughts together, DD has decided to change parishes.

I just want to answer a few points. I truly envy those of you whose parishes are child-friendly. This is certainly not the case with ours. I have seen the glares and frowns from parishioners at little children who are doing nothing more than being little children. In all the years I taught CCD, I have seen no more than ten of my first-grade pupils at Mass, and I think this lack of welcome is one of the major reasons. I served under two DRE’s, and both felt this was a problem.

And while it’s easy to advise others to ignore the looks, it’s much harder to do. I know many mothers feel judged on their parenting (I know I did, and so does DD), and so are pre-disposed to be embarrassed when they receive That Look.

Leaving the little one at home with his DF is not an option. DD feels she is fighting an up-hill battle to bring up her DSs in the faith, and giving them the idea that boys and men don’t have to attend Mass would not help her cause. I know that this would not be a long-lasting arrangement, but she feels very strongly that they should not get the idea that not attending Mas is an option. Since she has her Master’s in early childhood education, I don’t argue with her on points like this.

They’re attending Mass tomorrow morning at the closer parish, which is also the one where DGS1 attends school. DH says he feels uncomfortable returning to our church. I am on the purificator-laundering team, and after Mass last week he and DD waited in the QR after Mass while I delivered the clean purificators. He says he felt embarrassed by the looks he received for being in there and doesn’t want to return. He, too, felt “chastised” for being there. We’re attending Mass at our old parish tomorrow morning.

What a mess! I know that Father’s intentions were good, but the result is that I’ve lost one of the great joys in my life, that of attending Mass with my beloved DD and DGSs, and the boys no longer see a male family member attending Mass and receiving the sacraments.
Perhaps your daughter would appreciate you supporting her decision by going to the parish closer to her house. Is there a reason you couldn’t attend Saturday Mass at your parish and Sunday at hers?

I’m sure that your remember the stress of being a young mother and you probably appreciated it when your mother supported your parenting decisions. Perhaps it is time for you to return the support. Being Judged by old curmudgeons is something that a young mother does not need in her life. It would be nice if the Grandmother put family in front of her personal convenience.
 
Well, while I’ve been pulling my thoughts together, DD has decided to change parishes.

I just want to answer a few points. I truly envy those of you whose parishes are child-friendly. This is certainly not the case with ours. I have seen the glares and frowns from parishioners at little children who are doing nothing more than being little children. In all the years I taught CCD, I have seen no more than ten of my first-grade pupils at Mass, and I think this lack of welcome is one of the major reasons. I served under two DRE’s, and both felt this was a problem.

And while it’s easy to advise others to ignore the looks, it’s much harder to do. I know many mothers feel judged on their parenting (I know I did, and so does DD), and so are pre-disposed to be embarrassed when they receive That Look.

Leaving the little one at home with his DF is not an option. DD feels she is fighting an up-hill battle to bring up her DSs in the faith, and giving them the idea that boys and men don’t have to attend Mass would not help her cause. I know that this would not be a long-lasting arrangement, but she feels very strongly that they should not get the idea that not attending Mas is an option. Since she has her Master’s in early childhood education, I don’t argue with her on points like this.

They’re attending Mass tomorrow morning at the closer parish, which is also the one where DGS1 attends school. DH says he feels uncomfortable returning to our church. I am on the purificator-laundering team, and after Mass last week he and DD waited in the QR after Mass while I delivered the clean purificators. He says he felt embarrassed by the looks he received for being in there and doesn’t want to return. He, too, felt “chastised” for being there. We’re attending Mass at our old parish tomorrow morning.

What a mess! I know that Father’s intentions were good, but the result is that I’ve lost one of the great joys in my life, that of attending Mass with my beloved DD and DGSs, and the boys no longer see a male family member attending Mass and receiving the sacraments.
Bookworm, I so feel your heart with this thread and this post. I won’t get on a soapbox, but I am on your side 100% that getting sideways looks about children in church ( think about it: CHILDREN AT CHURCH) - is that not what we parents and grandparents desire above all else?!

I am deeply blessed at a church that absorbs its children with the Christian charity we preach from the pulpits.

Attending Mass with your daughter and grandchildren is clearly such a joy to you and your husband and so important to your grandchildren.

Is there no way you could attend with everyone at the parish they are trying out?
 
Perhaps your daughter would appreciate you supporting her decision by going to the parish closer to her house. Is there a reason you couldn’t attend Saturday Mass at your parish and Sunday at hers?

I’m sure that your remember the stress of being a young mother and you probably appreciated it when your mother supported your parenting decisions. Perhaps it is time for you to return the support. Being Judged by old curmudgeons is something that a young mother does not need in her life. It would be nice if the Grandmother put family in front of her personal convenience.
Amen Amen Amen

Support the mothers and fathers.
 
Perhaps your daughter would appreciate you supporting her decision by going to the parish closer to her house. Is there a reason you couldn’t attend Saturday Mass at your parish and Sunday at hers?

I’m sure that your remember the stress of being a young mother and you probably appreciated it when your mother supported your parenting decisions. Perhaps it is time for you to return the support. Being Judged by old curmudgeons is something that a young mother does not need in her life. It would be nice if the Grandmother put family in front of her personal convenience.
I’m sorry but I find your comment very hurtful, and I have no idea why you would say such a thing. I know that my DD would be the first to say that I constantly and consistently sacrifice my needs for their wants. When I encourage her to take things a little easier and to put herself first occasionally, she always responds, “Yeah? Where do you think I learned self-sacrifice?”

I never question her parenting decisions. I told DD that I thought Father was merely trying to encourage young families not to feel embarrassed if their children were occasionally loud or disruptive, but when she told me that was not the impression she got from his comments, I did not contradict her or argue. When she told me where they would be attending Mass tomorrow, my only comment was a question about the timing of the Valentine celebration we have planned.

It is my DH who does not want to attend Mass at her parish, so I have no idea how MY attending Mass at her parish and ours would accomplish anything. I already attend Mass seven days a week, so adding an additional one would not be an issue, but there is no way that my DH would agree to do this. Her parish is huge and he never felt welcome there; the fact that he finds it next to impossible to understand the priests there just makes the entire experience very unpleasant for him. (He’s not the only person who cannot understand them; it’s painful when one tries to tell a little joke during a sermon and doesn’t even get the normal polite titters.)

No, I don’t remember how supportive my DM was since she died before my DD was born, so unfortunately I never got to experience that support. The fact that she and DD never met is one of the biggest regrets of my life. However, we had a very warm and close relationship, and I have always done my best to have that relationship with my DD. I always was convinced that I knew what was best for my child and resented anyone who tried to suggest otherwise, so even if I didn’t agree with her decisions, and that almost never happens, I know better than to question them. She’s said on many, many occasions that I am her biggest supporter and cheerleader. I’ve had friends tell me that, if they believed in reincarnation, they’d want to come back as my DD.

I came here to ask for ways to support DD in her efforts to share the faith with her DSs and support my DH in his desire to attend a Mass that fills his spiritual needs. I was very sad that I would no longer have the joy of sharing the Mass with my DD and DGSs.

Instead you call me an “old curmudgeon,” accuse me of selfishly putting my convenience (whatever that means) ahead of the welfare of my family and not supporting DD’s parenting decisions. I know that it’s generally a bad idea to solicit advice from people on the internet, but I foolishly thought that a Catholic forum would be different. The tears I’m shedding over your post have taught me I was wrong.

It’s a mistake I will not repeat.
 
Quiet Rooms…cry rooms…ugh…that’s not noise, that’s the sound of a living, growing parish…take out the other 8 seats and knock the walls down!
I second that. The only experiences I’ve ever had with cry rooms have been negative. Plus, they do nothing to teach the child how to behave at Mass. The best case scenario is that they’re a reward for bad behavior.

Our church doesn’t have a cry room. If you really need to step out, there’s the vestibule or outside. Our youngest has been a huge struggle at times. One of the worst was last winter when, due to the cold and wind there really wasn’t anyplace to take her. She spent the whole Mass throwing fits and trying to thrash her way out of my arms. Were some people understanding? Sure. Were some upset? Yes. Did it happen the following week? Thankfully not, but there have been other struggles since then. It happens. Eventually they outgrow it. Despite any stares or dirty looks, I’d rather have my kids in the pew with me and not reward them with a trip to the play room. They do catch on and I believe they do so sooner if they’re exposed to it every week. I know too many people who continue to struggle with their 8, 9, 10 and even 12 year old children because they’ve always relied on cry rooms and bags full of books and toys instead of teaching and showing their kids how to behave at Mass.

I’d try to encourage your daughter to stick with it and avoid the cry room. My personal belief is that it will work out better and much sooner that way.
 
I’m sorry but I find your comment very hurtful, and I have no idea why you would say such a thing. I know that my DD would be the first to say that I constantly and consistently sacrifice my needs for their wants. When I encourage her to take things a little easier and to put herself first occasionally, she always responds, “Yeah? Where do you think I learned self-sacrifice?”

I never question her parenting decisions. I told DD that I thought Father was merely trying to encourage young families not to feel embarrassed if their children were occasionally loud or disruptive, but when she told me that was not the impression she got from his comments, I did not contradict her or argue. When she told me where they would be attending Mass tomorrow, my only comment was a question about the timing of the Valentine celebration we have planned.

It is my DH who does not want to attend Mass at her parish, so I have no idea how MY attending Mass at her parish and ours would accomplish anything. I already attend Mass seven days a week, so adding an additional one would not be an issue, but there is no way that my DH would agree to do this. Her parish is huge and he never felt welcome there; the fact that he finds it next to impossible to understand the priests there just makes the entire experience very unpleasant for him. (He’s not the only person who cannot understand them; it’s painful when one tries to tell a little joke during a sermon and doesn’t even get the normal polite titters.)

No, I don’t remember how supportive my DM was since she died before my DD was born, so unfortunately I never got to experience that support. The fact that she and DD never met is one of the biggest regrets of my life. However, we had a very warm and close relationship, and I have always done my best to have that relationship with my DD. I always was convinced that I knew what was best for my child and resented anyone who tried to suggest otherwise, so even if I didn’t agree with her decisions, and that almost never happens, I know better than to question them. She’s said on many, many occasions that I am her biggest supporter and cheerleader. I’ve had friends tell me that, if they believed in reincarnation, they’d want to come back as my DD.

I came here to ask for ways to support DD in her efforts to share the faith with her DSs and support my DH in his desire to attend a Mass that fills his spiritual needs. I was very sad that I would no longer have the joy of sharing the Mass with my DD and DGSs.

Instead you call me an “old curmudgeon,” accuse me of selfishly putting my convenience (whatever that means) ahead of the welfare of my family and not supporting DD’s parenting decisions. I know that it’s generally a bad idea to solicit advice from people on the internet, but I foolishly thought that a Catholic forum would be different. The tears I’m shedding over your post have taught me I was wrong.

It’s a mistake I will not repeat.
I am sorry you feel that way.

Your daughter and her family should continue to bring their entire family a greater distance so your husband is comfortable. They should be the object of derision so your husband and you can remain comfortable.

Your daughter’s selfishness in wanting to get something out of a Mass is disturbing. Her family should be uncomfortable because your husband’s enjoyment of the Mass is far more important than the four people in your daughter’s family.
 
I am sorry you feel that way.

Your daughter and her family should continue to bring their entire family a greater distance so your husband is comfortable. They should be the object of derision so your husband and you can remain comfortable.

Your daughter’s selfishness in wanting to get something out of a Mass is disturbing. Her family should be uncomfortable because your husband’s enjoyment of the Mass is far more important than the four people in your daughter’s family.
I truly wish you knew what you were talking about before you began to give advice.

The church we are now attending is the one my DD chose. We changed our home parish because she preferred this church. It is in no way convenient for me; we drive past two churches, including our old parish, to get there.

You find it “disturbing” that it is “selfish” of my DD to want to be able to focus on the Sacrifice of the Mass?

I never said my DH wanted to “enjoy” the Mass. It’s not an entertainment; he simply thinks it is more beneficial to be able to understand the homily in order to gain insight from it. I was under the impression that this was the point of a homily. Evidently, you have a different view.

You have absolutely no understanding of our family’s dynamics. We both put our DD and her family’s well-being before our own, more than anyone else we know. We feel that’s a parent’s obligation.

I will give your “advice,” along with your name-calling, all the consideration it deserves.
 
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