The Novus Ordo Mass is to Easy

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It is imperative that the Catholic church return to the universal language, Latin, for all things Catholic and most importantly, for the Liturgy.
There was a time in the not too distant past when no matter where you attended a Latin Rite Mass, in this country, in Asia, Africa or Europe, you knew the Mass because we all spoke the same Liturgucal language. You may not have understood the sermon, but the most importanrt of the Mass, the Liturgy, could be understood by all
Today, right here in our own country, what passes for a liturgy in the Norvus Ordu is a bable of many tongues.

It will take The Holy Father years to undo the mess the Amercan and European bishops have made in these creative Masses. These modernist bishops and cardinals should be forced to resign. They have almost destroyed the Roman Catholic Church.
 
I disagree. As a matter of fact, the rubrics of the Novus Ordo are too strict as it is: too dogmatic, too legalistic, too Pharisaic. The Mass is too focused on “worship”, “submission”, etc. It should be about our Faith Community, the Christ Within each one of us. The time for self-flagellation, veiling women and moaning over beads was thankfully ejected with Vatican II.

The Church doesn’t need an “official language”. Latin is not even the original language of the Church (Greek), let alone Our Lord and His Apostles (Aramaic, some Hebrew). But the Lord commanded us to go forth and teach all nations; when the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles He gave them the Gift of Tongues, not Roman Missals.

What should happen is that each priest should say the Mass in whatever language he is fluent in, and everyone in the congregation can use his Holy Gifts to follow along. If the priest is a convert from Pentecostalism, so much the better: he can use his glossolalia.

Modesty is another word for being ashamed of what God created and saw as Good. People should wear whatever they please, as long as they feel good about it and don’t think it’s wrong. If a woman wants to wear a tint tank top and hot pants – heck, if she wants to go nude – that’s up to her – it’s her body to do with as she wants, and no archaic patriarchal theo-Nazi church is going to keep her down and subjugated. If a man can’t keep his patriarchal women-oppressing eyes to himself, that’s his problem. Any man who lusts after a woman’s body, regardless of how she is dressed (which is only her business, since she dresses (or not) for herself), has already committed sexual assault against her in his heart, and in reality too, and should be prosecuted.

But of course the opposite applies to men. Good looking men should wear whatever they like; they have “healthy sexuality”. Old or ugly men should not be allowed near women, since they are all “lechers”.

Au contraire, mon frere. Hard kneelers and wooden benches may have been OK for the medieval yahoos who whipped themselves into bloody pulps or lived on pillars in the desert. Today’s Mass is about becoming One with God, transcending the surly bonds of earth and uniting with the One in His Yahwehness. **We don’t need mortification, that’s for losers. We need uplifting, affirming. We need to know the spiritual comfort of the Father. So I suggest La-Z-Boys. **With pockets in the side for missalettes, of course.

Another misstatement of EENS. Since we all long to be with God, it is obvious that everyone is more or less part of the Universal Church. I mean, who really wants to go to Hell? Seems to me we have some uptight bluenoses who like to get their knickers in a knot over the silliest things; I think they actually want people to go to hell. I think criticism of the Church should be encouraged, especially since it’s done a rotten job over the past 2000 years. I mean – the Inquisition? Burning at the Stake? Blood libel? OCP? Obviously, when we say that “God is in the Church” we don’t mean the Church™ as a corporate institution with monsignors and curiae and vicars apostolic, but the real Church, the Church of You and Me and God Makes Three! As for that other Church, it should be open season. The press should NOT be allowed to criticize ANY religion EXCEPT for Catholicism. Criticizing the Church is OK because the Church is archaic and has weird oppressive beliefs like “modesty” and “responsibility” and “penance” and “informed conscience”, and should get with it – it’s the 21st century for God’s sake!!! (However, don’t criticize other religions or cultures – that’s their values and traditions, you have no right to impose your cultural imperialism on their ancient venerable ways, like sati and FGM and raping virgins to cure AIDS.)
The OP was satire…this crossed over into black humor!! :eek:
 
It is imperative that the Catholic church return to the universal language, Latin, for all things Catholic and most importantly, for the Liturgy.
There was a time in the not too distant past when no matter where you attended a Latin Rite Mass, in this country, in Asia, Africa or Europe, you knew the Mass because we all spoke the same Liturgucal language. You may not have understood the sermon, but the most importanrt of the Mass, the Liturgy, could be understood by all
Today, right here in our own country, what passes for a liturgy in the Norvus Ordu is a bable of many tongues.

It will take The Holy Father years to undo the mess the Amercan and European bishops have made in these creative Masses. These modernist bishops and cardinals should be forced to resign. They have almost destroyed the Roman Catholic Church.
I really don’t think that by again using only Latin at Mass we will regain what some say has been lost because of the Novus Ordo. Although I have not personally seen any of the abuses at the Mass of the NO, I can see many members of the Church have lost a lot of overt reverence toward the Church because of disobedience and ignoring what were once to be taken as absolute directives of the Church. This cannot be laid at the feet of either of the Masses, the NO or TLM, but should be laid at the feet of many Bishops, priests and other clergy who have and are still ignoring the laws of Rome. By Vatican II “opening the windows” of the Church, much good has flown out and is available to more people, but because of the laxity of the clergy much that should be forbidden has come in. Until the clergy who are in error are reprimanded by Rome, I think the latitude in beliefs these “leaders” allow will remain. 🙂 Peace.
 
so the satire only goes one way?

Good job Ghoti 👍
No, I meant his gets so much closer to the truth so many times (see the boldface) that the smile only lasts about a second. 😦

(Mommy, this isn’t funny any more…)
 
5-It should be illegal or the media to publish any criticisms of the Church, or promote any religion besides Catholicism, anything short of this may lead souls from the Church and to hell.

What do you think?
This is what communism does, except one cannot criticize the state.
 
Upon further review, it would seem that since over half of all Catholics (Thank you very much Isabella la Catolica!) speak Spanish, all Catholic Liturgies should be in Spanish.

That goes double for you Eastern Rite Catholics who bother most Latin Catholics because they don’t care to realize that you are Catholic too because you don’t use the Liturgy from Rome.😛
 
Nothing personal Volodymyr, but I think you (and several others on this thread) are totally missing the point on this issue. The purpose of using Latin isn’t that the most Catholics speak it, which definitely isn’t the case. The point is that it is a dead language. Hence, it doesn’t evolve and its “slang” words aren’t different depending on where you learned to speak it. Because of this, those that advocate the use of Latin see it as a way of preserving the unity of the Church because everyone, whether in the past, now, or in the future, will read and understand things most nearly the exact same way.

I’d still like to hear the OP’s reaction to the responses to his “satire.”
 
My dear friend,

My posts are also in jest.:ehh:

The whole thread is satire.👍
 
Upon further review, it would seem that since over half of all Catholics (Thank you very much Isabella la Catolica!) speak Spanish, all Catholic Liturgies should be in Spanish.

That goes double for you Eastern Rite Catholics who bother most Latin Catholics because they don’t care to realize that you are Catholic too because you don’t use the Liturgy from Rome.😛
Well, we jad better get crackin learning Spainish, because resistance is futile.
 
Nothing personal Volodymyr, but I think you (and several others on this thread) are totally missing the point on this issue. The purpose of using Latin isn’t that the most Catholics speak it, which definitely isn’t the case. The point is that it is a dead language. Hence, it doesn’t evolve and its “slang” words aren’t different depending on where you learned to speak it. Because of this, those that advocate the use of Latin see it as a way of preserving the unity of the Church because everyone, whether in the past, now, or in the future, will read and understand things most nearly the exact same way.

I’d still like to hear the OP’s reaction to the responses to his “satire.”
You cannot ensure that people from different cultures are going to understand things in the same way simply by requiring everyone to use the same words. The words used are only part of the equation. Cultural context is another part.

For instance, let us say that there was in Catholicism a prayer similar to that in Judaism, something like “Thank you, Lord, for not having made me a woman.”

In some societies, where it is taken for granted that everything important is the perogative of men, this simple sentence will enforce the prevailing sentiment that the place of women is inferior. The prayer will be thanksgiving for the higher calling and the dignity that goes with it. In others, in which it is taken for granted that women have higher and more difficult calling, the prayer will be thanksgiving for the mercy of having not put men to the same test that women get, along with a humble refusal to be jealous. In a third society, it might obviously mean, “Thank you, Lord, for having made me what you decided to make me.” In yet another, there will be lots of fights about what it means, because attitudes about women are so all over the map.

Pentecost tells me that, when it exists, the roots of Christian disunity go far deeper than language. The Holy Spirit can easily surmount language barriers. It is the other barriers that people put up that cause the problems. Maybe one of these that a single-language liturgy might address is the unwillingness to be disciplined or the unwillingness to place cultural heritage after spiritual heritage. I mean to say that I won’t disallow the premise that a single language might be a useful pastoral solution, in some places and times. I just don’t think it should be given powers that it does not have.

(Wow. What a hilarious post.)
 
You’ve totally missed the point for why some advocate the use of Latin as a lingua franca. The argument for making/keeping Latin the official language of the Church is because it is a dead language and doesn’t change over time like English or Mandarin or the various dialects of Arabic or any other “living” languauge. This is the same reason Muslims are encouraged to read the
I wouldn’t say that Chinese changes.

恭喜發財

Is the New Year’s greeting.

In the Cantonese Dialect it’s Gung Hei Faat Choi

In Hakka it’s Giung Hi Fat Coi

In Mandarin (the official dialect spoken in Beijing and on TV) it’s Gong Xi Fa Cai

Yet they all use the same characters which haven’t changed for about 2000 years. The oracle bone seals from 10,000 years ago are different for sure, but 10,000 years ago Latin didn’t exist!
 
I wouldn’t say that Chinese changes.

恭喜發財

Is the New Year’s greeting.

In the Cantonese Dialect it’s Gung Hei Faat Choi

In Hakka it’s Giung Hi Fat Coi

In Mandarin (the official dialect spoken in Beijing and on TV) it’s Gong Xi Fa Cai

Yet they all use the same characters which haven’t changed for about 2000 years. The oracle bone seals from 10,000 years ago are different for sure, but 10,000 years ago Latin didn’t exist!
10,000 years ago nothing existed. The earth is only about 5,000 or so years old, doncha know.

And Latin was around back then. If not, then why was Genesis written in Latin? My Vulgate says so.
 
Oops Easter Joy, you used the politically incorrect “B” word…😉
Oh, my, I guess I took my literature courses too long ago.
I’ll have to go to Sherwin Williams and find an acceptable substitute:

Maybe “Ebony”? “Nighttime”? “Intense”? “Obsidian”?.. what other word can possibly be imagined that might imply a shade, but which doesn’t have an actual color name in it?

Maybe intense humor. That would do it. “Nighttime” humor might give people the wrong idea.

Gack! (If you have not guessed, the names on paint chips irritate me.)
 
Oh, my, I guess I took my literature courses too long ago.
I’ll have to go to Sherwin Williams and find an acceptable substitute:

Maybe “Ebony”? “Nighttime”? “Intense”? “Obsidian”?.. what other word can possibly be imagined that might imply a shade, but which doesn’t have an actual color name in it?

Maybe intense humor. That would do it. “Nighttime” humor might give people the wrong idea.

Gack! (If you have not guessed, the names on paint chips irritate me.)
Yes, and they are still the same color they were years ago when they used words like seashell, eggplant and so on.😉 Peace.
 
Yes, and they are still the same color they were years ago when they used words like seashell, eggplant and so on.😉 Peace.
At least you could see the word “eggplant” and know what color that was.

My living room is painted the color called “quietude”. If you can tell me with any certainty what color that is, I guess you’re a better artist than I am…but this is off the subject.
 
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