The Occult

[remoat]

astrology
numerology
phrenology
palmistry
kirlian photography
astral projection
channeling
reincarnation
tarot
seances
ouija boards
satanic rituals

i may have left something out-- anyway, i was raised that the rituals that were practiced when i was young (50s) were anti-christian, and not to be messed with… most of the list was used then… what do you think of these beliefs? do you involve yourself? what is your opinion as a reader of the topic, but a non-practioner? im not proposing to evaluate any beliefs or opinions, in contrast to my earlier posts…

 

[Benadam]

Most of them cater to desires we didn’t have untiill after the fall. Fear of the future due to unresolved past. They require the co-operation of a spiritual community ( fallen angels) that opposes the community in heaven.

Most are developements of an earthly culture that seeks out and manifests the goods of a spiritual community. In contrast the Church is a spiritual community that seeks out and manifests the goods of an earthly culture.

They are a dysfuntional use of or a distorted view of the order God established, in particular the metaphysical.

Some are a means of peering into the future that circumvents God. None are able to address the needs of the soul, all cater to or are developements of the needs, wants and desires of a fallen humanity not a Holy humanity.

Since they require co-operation of a spiritual community they open the door and extend rights to invisible forces that wills to victimize and destroy people.

 

[Fergal]

Can I suggest a read of Jesus Christ: The Bearer of the Water of Life? It is a reflection of the New Age and on New Age practices in relation to Church teaching and practice.

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html

 

[Freshman88]

Concerning astrology, it is interesting to note that many medieval churches depict the Zodiac. It was a popular “science” back in the day, and depending on how it was used, it did not necessairly contradict Christian teaching. Today however, astrology is used in such a way that it almost always contradicts Christian teaching.

 

[Benadam]

Concerning astrology, it is interesting to note that many medieval churches depict the Zodiac. It was a popular “science” back in the day, and depending on how it was used, it did not necessairly contradict Christian teaching. Today however, astrology is used in such a way that it almost always contradicts Christian teaching.

Especially considering the star of Bethleham. It was by reading the the signs in the heavens that the three wise men were led to Truth. Notice the wise men weren’t reading the stars for control or power over events and people.

The Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe has various constellations of the Zodiac.

The entire creation reveals the Mystery of God.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

astrology
numerology
phrenology
palmistry
kirlian photography
astral projection
channeling
reincarnation
tarot
seances
ouija boards
satanic rituals

i may have left something out-- anyway, i was raised that the rituals that were practiced when i was young (50s) were anti-christian, and not to be messed with… most of the list was used then… what do you think of these beliefs? do you involve yourself? what is your opinion as a reader of the topic, but a non-practioner? im not proposing to evaluate any beliefs or opinions, in contrast to my earlier posts…

I’d omit kirlian photography and add reiki and pornography.
I agree with Benadam. They open the person to negative spiritual influences.

 

[saint_rafael]

astrology
numerology
phrenology
palmistry
kirlian photography
astral projection
channeling
reincarnation
tarot
seances
ouija boards
satanic rituals

i may have left something out-- anyway, i was raised that the rituals that were practiced when i was young (50s) were anti-christian, and not to be messed with… most of the list was used then… what do you think of these beliefs? do you involve yourself? what is your opinion as a reader of the topic, but a non-practioner? im not proposing to evaluate any beliefs or opinions, in contrast to my earlier posts…

All of that is mortal sin. It is all against the First Commandment.

 

[Biblioassistant]

I don’t bother with any of them and am probably the only person I know who never reads her horoscope anymore. I used to back when I was in college (in the age of Aquarius - but I found that horoscopes were less than useful.

Some of the practices, such as channeling and tarot can leave a person open to very bad entities. I am not one who sees demons lurking around every tree, but I do believe they are present and that they can affect us, especially when we invite them in.

 

[puzzleannie]

phrenology is an out of date branch of forensic medicine and psychology, now proven to be a useless tool, not a foray into the occult or new age (unless like so many fads, newagers have recently taken it up for some loony reason known only to them).

 

[Brenda_V]

Concerning astrology, it is interesting to note that many medieval churches depict the Zodiac. It was a popular “science” back in the day, and depending on how it was used, it did not necessairly contradict Christian teaching. Today however, astrology is used in such a way that it almost always contradicts Christian teaching.

Especially considering the star of Bethleham. It was by reading the the signs in the heavens that the three wise men were led to Truth. Notice the wise men weren’t reading the stars for control or power over events and people.

The Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe has various constellations of the Zodiac.

The entire creation reveals the Mystery of God.

Actually it is still a science today and it is called astronomy. Those signs are constellations in the sky that are present at those times (Aries, the ram should be visible during the end of March- beginning of April, Taurus, the bull, April-May, Cancer the crab June-July etc.) The difference between astronomy in Biblical times and even the time of Our Lady of Guadalupe is these are star configurations (constellations) we can see with the naked eye. Astronomy has moved further and further out so except for the rudimentary knowledge of the constellations and the use astrology has of them you tend not hear about them.

Being able to predict a persons behavior or “luck” from them on the other hand is not a science but a superstition using said signs.

Brenda V.

 

[Freshman88]

Actually it is still a science today and it is called astronomy. Those signs are constellations in the sky that are present at those times (Aries, the ram should be visible during the end of March- beginning of April, Taurus, the bull, April-May, Cancer the crab June-July etc.) The difference between astronomy in Biblical times and even the time of Our Lady of Guadalupe is these are star configurations (constellations) we can see with the naked eye. Astronomy has moved further and further out so except for the rudimentary knowledge of the constellations and the use astrology has of them you tend not hear about them.

Being able to predict a persons behavior or “luck” from them on the other hand is not a science but a superstition using said signs.

Brenda V.

astrology |əˈsträləjē|
noun
the study of the movements and relative positions of celestial bodies interpreted as having an influence on human affairs and the natural world

astronomy |əˈstränəmē|
noun
the branch of science that deals with celestial objects, space, and the physical universe as a whole.

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The difference between the two studies is more than just distance, it’s the very nature of each of these sciences. Astrology specifically deals with how the movements of celestial bodies have an effect on human affairs and the natural world, whereas astronomy does not make this claim and simply studies the celestial bodies.

It is my understanding that astrology was very common in the medieval Church, and as I pointed out the zodiac is often depicted in many medieval churches not just simply the constellation it is associated with(animal and zodiac names were depicted). To them it was a science and not superstition, they actually believed that if a certain celestial body was acting in a certain manner then it meant x, y, or z would happen to the natural world. There is nothing inherently sinful with this because it is just like meteorology which uses natural signs to predict natural occurrences as well.

 

[remoat]

one of the most disengenuous occurrences in the church was the “validation” of ptolemy’s theory of the universe and the use of astrology in church affairs… in the renaissance, galileo was compelled, under pain of death, to recant his observations on the solar system… now, ptolemy is discredited, astrology is deemed “anti-christian” and galileo was awarded an “apology” by the church… well, what comes around goes around…